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Well I was talking about the modern history of the trade, not medieval

My point was about when numbers in Edinburgh were rerestricted, when I think there were more HCs than PHs?

However, the location and time are irrelevant; my point was that if any combined fleet had been restricted a couple of decades ago then plates would be worth at least as much - if not more - than were HC plates only are currently restricted.

Thus to that extent Mr allo allo's thesis is incorrect.

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So if we recap?

So far you have proposed a one tier restricted system, made up of taxi rank hackney carriages that are restricted to working cab ranks and being hailed in the street. You also propose having private hire hackney carriages that are prohibited from ranking on taxi ranks but allowed to be flagged down in the street.

In order for everyone to make a decent living, vehicle numbers will be capped.

You propose existing local authorities decide on the number of cabs and surveys should be undertaken every five years?

You suggest the appropriate number will be in accordance with new legislative guidelines to be announced but these guide lines must be heavily influenced by current levels of combined hackney carriage and private hire vehicles. For example if Sefton had a combined total of 3,600 hackney carriage and private hire vehicles under your legislation they would only have 3600 hackney carriages, some working taxi ranks and some working radio circuits but I suppose it would be left to individual choice?

You then suggested that vehicle numbers be limited to around 400 per 100,000 residents, this would mean a ratio of 250 residents to one cab so in a place like Manchester instead of having 1,000 hacks and 3,000 private hire we would have 1600 hacks and no private hire, which would mean a reduction of 2400 vehicles. I’m sure we would all welcome that but how would this instant reduction affect the public and those drivers who you have just precluded from obtaining a license?

Sefton would have an instant reduction of some 2500 vehicles leaving them with 1100 hackney carriages. What happens to the people your system puts on the dole? What would be the effect of your proposals amounting to 400 cabs per 100,000 head of population be on those owners and drivers of the excluded 2500?

You say you are deadly serious about the principal and that these proposals will earn the driver a decent living by not having to work 75 hours.

You suggest that with a much larger supply of plated vehicles the market will keep driver rents down and you quote your economic theory of supply and demand as a justification for your reasoning?

You then inform us that unlike some you don’t have all the answers to all detailed questions in your one tier setup. However, you are convinced that the market will determine plate values but as the supply would be large and most if not all cab drivers could have their own plated taxi then you doubt that plated Taxis would attract a huge premium. Then you suggest you could be mistaken?

You then advise us that basic economic theory should tell us that a large supply almost matching demand will place a very small premium on a restricted taxi license? However under your proposals over half of existing Taxi / Private drivers will be on the dole.

JD

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You may be having 'technical difficulties' in the not too distant future Mr Allo Allo!

JD, you quoted me as saying:-

"You then suggested that vehicle numbers be limited to around 400 per 100,000 residents, this would mean a ratio of 250 residents to one cab"

This figure was in answer to your question what would your figure be for Crawley. It is not meant to representative of the whole country which as I explained would have initial numbers set by the LA with regard to CURRENT local HC & PHV numbers
So I am not advocating the vast numbers of drivers on the dole that you have suggested.
My answer merely reflects the current HC & PHV numbers in Crawley.

ps And contrary to popular belief Crawley has a vibrant local economy with many relatively well off residents with decent disposable income.

Peace

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Funny you should say that my automatic log-in failed/
Had to log in by hand

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Hopefully the total supply of Taxis would have been increased if there was a rise in public demand for all taxi services( 5 yearly reviews) so maybe the total number of plates would have increased thus limiting any rise in individual plate values.

If trying to keep plate values down is the objective then we could of course go down the "limiting badges" rather than plates route.

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allo allo... I sincerely wish you no disrespect.... but you have a quaint naivety similar to TDO.... about you... as this discussion is simply about dreams and possibly even things that go bump in the night ..... enjoy yourself...

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

Yeh, I know you're quite right. It is really all pie in the sky and not something to get frenzied about.

But ven I take over zee vorld vee vill haff taxis as I say vee vill haff taxis .....or not at all.
Sieg ned
DJ
Oops I wasn't supposed to be rude any more!

That wasn't rude ... it was satire!

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yes it was

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

100,000 represents Crawley's current population. It currently licenses a combined total of around 740 vehicles doesn't it? Your system would take 340 vehicles out of circulation. That would certainly meet your aims but what about the 340 people you have just made redundant? I don't know how many crawley cabs work Gatwick but if there are 200 as you suggest then that still gives a reduction of 140.

And is it only Crawley who is subject to your ratio of vehicles per head of population or the rest of us are subject to the same formula?

Why don't you just say half the number of taxis and private hire vehicles in the UK and cap numbers because thats all you're suggesting.

JD

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Private hire should only pick up pre booked work, it's that simple.

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