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skippy41
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Some airports are already charging the permit and the pay as you go on top, Edinburgh does :shock: :shock: and Aberdeen later this year
the OFT might be interested in this charging technically twice for the same thing
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Some airports are already charging the permit and the pay as you go on top, Edinburgh does :shock: :shock: and Aberdeen later this year
the OFT might be interested in this charging technically twice for the same thing

Aberdeen Airport will be charging permit holders £1 per lift from the main terminal rank from 1st August, on top of £32 per week for the permit.
They will also be charging £2 per lift to non permit holders.

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Well you surprise me again Mr GBC :roll:, maybe one day you will climb out of your back passage long enough to suggest something positive and helpful to other fellow cab drivers, but I doubt it.

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Your 13 GMB members in London are not my fellow Taxi drivers, and they never will be.

Talking about back passages, how are you and Terry making out nowadays?

Keep those hours up 'brother' :D


I thought we were talking about Manchester cab drivers and how we could help them :roll:

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I thought we were talking about Manchester cab drivers and how we could help them :roll:

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That's easy, get your Mancunian reps to speak up a bit about the illegal operation that was being conducted right under their noses.

Or was it a case of hear no evil, see no evil, etc, as depending on where you are in Britain, and what plate situation exsists, the GMB sing from the song sheet that suits?
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GBC wrote:
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Well you surprise me again Mr GBC :roll:, maybe one day you will climb out of your back passage long enough to suggest something positive and helpful to other fellow cab drivers, but I doubt it.

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Your 13 GMB members in London are not my fellow Taxi drivers, and they never will be.

Talking about back passages, how are you and Terry making out nowadays?

Keep those hours up 'brother' :D


I thought we were talking about Manchester cab drivers and how we could help them :roll:

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Its going to affect every airport so go get your finger out and do something constructive for once, like get in touch with the OFT, airports that charge a permit and the pick up are charging twice for the same thing and thats illegal
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Manchester Airport are proposing a move from a fixed ''permit'' fee to a pay per journey for Cabs that operate from there.
Last year the permit fee was £270-£300 per year depending on when you paid.(there was a discount if you paid promptly).
However, since November they have been charging 40pence per entry into the feeder park (an area where cabs park before going onto ranks) and now this is set to increase to £1.60 per entry and no fixed amount.
The effect of this will be that any hackney driver will be able to work from the Airport (no problem there) and the amount payable by each driver will go up to £2,400 per annum or more from what used to be a fee of £270.
The licensing authority (Manchester City Council) have refused to sanction the fee (£1.60) to be added to the cost of each journey and instead allowed only 40 pence per journey (supposedly to pay for the Marshalls at the Airport).
This is an increase of some 900% and will mean the average driver is expected to fork out an extra £2,000 per annum from his own pocket.
No-one as yet has come up an answer to the question...''where is this money supposed to come from '' ?
The question is, is this legal ?
Any driver seeking to recover the money from passengers will be breaking the law.
A lot of passengers travel a very short distance from the Airport so a driver will end up paying £1.60 for a fare of say £8.00 effectively paying out 20% of his fare to the Airport.
Anyone have any experience of this at other Airports ?
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It would appear your concern is not about the imposition of a levy on each job but the actual size of the levy?

You have an Airport association don't you and isn't it a fact that practically every man jack of the Manchester cab committee works the Airport. So some people will be thinking that any failed negotiation to get a reasonable levy is down to the representatives of the Cab trade.

Have you asked your representatives why the levy is so high and if so what did they say?

You ask is it legal, yes it is legal but whether or not the figure is unreasonable is a different matter. You say it is but the Airport will no doubt say it isn't.

Grandad put it in a nutshell when he said "no one forces you to work the Airport." Therefore if you don't like the terms, don't work the Airport. Or only work the Airport when its busy.

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Hi Guys,

Thanks for all the input.
I won't get into personal arguments as this will not solve the problem that we have.
Yes, I know Pat Connors very well and I am aware of what George Simms has said ( know him well too)....
There are two things that I can see as being questionable here...
1) Can they charge us ''per journey'' after we have already paid for a full years permit fee ?
2) Where are we as drivers supposed to get money to pay for this extra charge since the Council have only sanctioned 40p charge per pick up and the pick up will cost us £1.60 (incl 40p for Marshalls). The council are allowing us 40p for the cost of Marshalling.
Built in our fare structure was a figure of £300 to pay for permits to work at the Airport. Now this has been removed totally by the council so effectively we have had a reduction in our fares whilst our costs have actually gone up drastically.
Effectively we will be subsidising the passengers that we pick up from the Airport.The fare from the Airport to the city is approx £15-£16...and with a charge of £1.60 per journey we will be paying a ''tax'' of 10%
Once again, thanks to all of you for the input.
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cheshirebest wrote:

1) Can they charge us ''per journey'' after we have already paid for a full years permit fee ?


Is it the case that a swipe card will be used to enter the feeder park and this will constitute a one off payment of £1.60?

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2) Where are we as drivers supposed to get money to pay for this extra charge since the Council have only sanctioned 40p charge per pick up and the pick up will cost us £1.60 (incl 40p for Marshalls). The council are allowing us 40p for the cost of Marshalling.


So the overall charge will be £1.20 and you want to know how you can recover that cost? The only persons who can help you in that respect are councillors and considering councillors know best then the likelihood of you recovering any part of that £1.20 is pretty remote.

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Effectively we will be subsidising the passengers that we pick up from the Airport. The fare from the Airport to the city is approx £15-£16...and with a charge of £1.60 per journey we will be paying a ''tax'' of 10% Once again, thanks to all of you for the input.


You aren't subsidising passengers because the passenger pays exactly what is shown on the meter. What you will be doing is paying for the privilege of using the Airport facilities which includes the Airport taxi rank.

You have to make your own decision on whether the charge of £1.20 per visit is worthwhile. Obviously you don't think it is so in that case I assume you won't be seen at the airport that often.

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If I've got it right and Manchester Airport is not in the Manchester City Council licensing area, then surely you can charge what you dam well like.

Or is it a secret part of the City? :?

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If they are a hackney surely they have to be licensed by the authority that the airport falls within.

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The main infrastructure including all the Airport terminal buildings are in Manchester.

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[quote="JD"
1) Can they charge us ''per journey'' after we have already paid for a full years permit fee ? [/quote]

Is it the case that a swipe card will be used to enter the feeder park and this will constitute a one off payment of £1.60?
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The Airport permit (as it has been for years) ran for twelve months from 1st April till 31st March.
For 2007/08 we have paid a sum of £270 being the fee for the year till 31st March 2008.
From sometime in November 2007, they have introduced a swipe card which takes 40p off your top-up each time you go into the feeder park.
Now, my question is....Is this legal ?...to charge a levy of £1.60 on top of £270 we have already paid which was supposed to be for the full year.
Are the Airport not in breach of contract ? and also breach of agreement ?
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cheshirebest wrote:
Hi Guys,

Thanks for all the input.
I won't get into personal arguments as this will not solve the problem that we have.
Yes, I know Pat Connors very well and I am aware of what George Simms has said ( know him well too)....
There are two things that I can see as being questionable here...
1) Can they charge us ''per journey'' after we have already paid for a full years permit fee ?
2) Where are we as drivers supposed to get money to pay for this extra charge since the Council have only sanctioned 40p charge per pick up and the pick up will cost us £1.60 (incl 40p for Marshalls). The council are allowing us 40p for the cost of Marshalling.
Built in our fare structure was a figure of £300 to pay for permits to work at the Airport. Now this has been removed totally by the council so effectively we have had a reduction in our fares whilst our costs have actually gone up drastically.
Effectively we will be subsidising the passengers that we pick up from the Airport.The fare from the Airport to the city is approx £15-£16...and with a charge of £1.60 per journey we will be paying a ''tax'' of 10%
Once again, thanks to all of you for the input.


Not sure about this but: :roll:

If they are going to charge an "entry" fee (by possiible barrier) would this then constitute "not public highway". If that is so, do the rules regading fare regulations still apply or could you claim that as this is now clearly not a "rank", the hire charge can then be negoiated with the customer.

Just a thought :-k

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cheshirebest wrote:
Hi Guys,

Thanks for all the input.
I won't get into personal arguments as this will not solve the problem that we have.
Yes, I know Pat Connors very well and I am aware of what George Simms has said ( know him well too)....
There are two things that I can see as being questionable here...
1) Can they charge us ''per journey'' after we have already paid for a full years permit fee ?
2) Where are we as drivers supposed to get money to pay for this extra charge since the Council have only sanctioned 40p charge per pick up and the pick up will cost us £1.60 (incl 40p for Marshalls). The council are allowing us 40p for the cost of Marshalling.
Built in our fare structure was a figure of £300 to pay for permits to work at the Airport. Now this has been removed totally by the council so effectively we have had a reduction in our fares whilst our costs have actually gone up drastically.
Effectively we will be subsidising the passengers that we pick up from the Airport.The fare from the Airport to the city is approx £15-£16...and with a charge of £1.60 per journey we will be paying a ''tax'' of 10%
Once again, thanks to all of you for the input.


Not sure about this but: :roll:

If they are going to charge an "entry" fee (by possiible barrier) would this then constitute "not public highway". If that is so, do the rules regading fare regulations still apply or could you claim that as this is now clearly not a "rank", the hire charge can then be negoiated with the customer.

Just a thought :-k
Not a public highway maybe but still a public place.

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gusmac wrote:
Tulsablue wrote:
cheshirebest wrote:
Hi Guys,

Thanks for all the input.
I won't get into personal arguments as this will not solve the problem that we have.
Yes, I know Pat Connors very well and I am aware of what George Simms has said ( know him well too)....
There are two things that I can see as being questionable here...
1) Can they charge us ''per journey'' after we have already paid for a full years permit fee ?
2) Where are we as drivers supposed to get money to pay for this extra charge since the Council have only sanctioned 40p charge per pick up and the pick up will cost us £1.60 (incl 40p for Marshalls). The council are allowing us 40p for the cost of Marshalling.
Built in our fare structure was a figure of £300 to pay for permits to work at the Airport. Now this has been removed totally by the council so effectively we have had a reduction in our fares whilst our costs have actually gone up drastically.
Effectively we will be subsidising the passengers that we pick up from the Airport.The fare from the Airport to the city is approx £15-£16...and with a charge of £1.60 per journey we will be paying a ''tax'' of 10%
Once again, thanks to all of you for the input.


Not sure about this but: :roll:

If they are going to charge an "entry" fee (by possiible barrier) would this then constitute "not public highway". If that is so, do the rules regading fare regulations still apply or could you claim that as this is now clearly not a "rank", the hire charge can then be negoiated with the customer.

Just a thought :-k
Not a public highway maybe but still a public place.


There is a sign just by the doorway of T1 stating something like, "the public do not have any right of way", I will try to have a closer look next time I am down there for an hour or so.

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