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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:10 pm 
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My mate had a small knife in his limo for cutting the wedding ribbons off after the weddings. It was in the boot. When he got stopped for a security check 1 mile from wimbledon whilst taking some ladies to the tennis he ended up with a criminal record.

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If I may join the pedantry, Brake have an agenda to convince the world that 'speed kills.' Every one on this board is testament to the fact that speed does not kill. Inappropriate speed kills.

100mph on the motorway will not kill you. An accident at 10mph may well kill you dependent on other contributing circumstances.


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My mate had a small knife in his limo for cutting the wedding ribbons off after the weddings. It was in the boot. When he got stopped for a security check 1 mile from wimbledon whilst taking some ladies to the tennis he ended up with a criminal record.


For goodness sake, that's ridiculous.
Who was his brief, I never want to use him!

Again I say, if you have a legitimate reason for having something then there should be no problem, provided you have a decent brief!!!!!!!!

What do you think about this JD?

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He didn't have a brief. He had to either accept his guilt at the station and then carry on with the job or be kept overnight and appear in court the next day and probably be detained under the anti terrorist legislation. Not much of a choice.

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allo allo wrote:
What do you think about this JD?


It is up to a Jury to determine what is an offensive weapon or if the intended use of an implement that could be used for other means was at the time being used or made available to be used as an offensive weapon.

The police cannot convict or pass sentence on any individual. The offence carries a maximum sentence of four years imprisonment, if you believe that a person would willingly admit to carrying an offensive weapon without first considering not only the circumstances of the use of the so called weapon but also the gravity of the offence then I have to say that only a complete fool would admit to such an offence when considering the carrying of the so called weapon was for use as a domestic purpose.

Even if they did admit to the offence, the time frame of procedure from arrest to statement with all the other niceties thrown in such as finger printing, mug shots, dna etc then I doubt the individual would have been out of the police station for several hours. Therefore you draw your own conclusions from the statement.

There are three possible categories of offensive weapon: (1) weapons made for use for causing injury to the person, ie a weapon offensive per se eg a bayonet, a stiletto or a gun; (2) a weapon adapted for such a purpose eg a bottle deliberately broken in order that the jagged end may be inserted into the victim's face; (3) an object not so made or adapted but one which the person carrying intends to use for the purpose of causing injury to the person: R v Simpson [1983] 3 All ER 789, 78 Cr App Rep 115, CA. Weapons within heads (1) and (2) supra are described as offensive weapons per se.

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Thanks for your input JD.

I'm still happy with what I'm doing. :)

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If I may join the pedantry, Brake have an agenda to convince the world that 'speed kills.' Every one on this board is testament to the fact that speed does not kill. Inappropriate speed kills.

100mph on the motorway will not kill you. An accident at 10mph may well kill you dependent on other contributing circumstances.


You make it sound like 100 mph is safer than 10 mph!!

The fact is that neither speed will automatically kill you, but I think you'll be a lot safer on average at 10 mph than 100 mph.


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And that is precisely the type of 'statistic' the government is peddling to brainwash you into the acceptance of speed cameras that 'catch' the 'offender' without the discretion that a trained police officer has available.

Because of the superior engineering of the roads upon which 100mph is possible, it is likely that such an incident is more survivable than other incidents at lower speeds.

I'll look up some 'facts' when I return from holiday.


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And that is precisely the type of 'statistic' the government is peddling to brainwash you into the acceptance of speed cameras that 'catch' the 'offender' without the discretion that a trained police officer has available.

Because of the superior engineering of the roads upon which 100mph is possible, it is likely that such an incident is more survivable than other incidents at lower speeds.

I'll look up some 'facts' when I return from holiday.


I think we all understand that high speed impact increases the chance of death than impacting at low speed as these figures point out. According to these figures nearly 3285 people are killed on our roads each year and according to this website 855 are caused by excessive speed alone. How true that is I don't know. If the figures are to be believed 70% of drivers said don't adhere to speed limits on certain occasions.

These were taken from the "THINK Road Safety website".

http://www.thinkroadsafety.gov.uk/campa ... owdown.htm

I haven't viewed these simulations.

http://www.thinkroadsafety.gov.uk/campa ... 2005tv.mpg

http://www.thinkroadsafety.gov.uk/campa ... /sim01.wmv

http://www.thinkroadsafety.gov.uk/campa ... /sim02.wmv

Seat belt crash simulator.

http://www.thinkseatbelts.com/

Key statistics

* You are more likely to kill a pedestrian driving at 40mph than 30mph.
* Specifically, if you hit a pedestrian while driving at 20 mph, the pedestrian has a 95% chance of survival.
* If you hit an adult pedestrian while driving at 30mph, the survival chance is 80%. But if you hit a pedestrian while driving at 40mph, the pedestrian's chances of dying rises to 90%. (this lowers to 80% for a child).

General

* Exceeding the speed limit or travelling too fast for the conditions is a contributory factor in over 856 deaths and 33,030 injuries every year (RCGB 2006).
* On average, nearly nine people die every day on Britain's roads.
* Every driver can make a difference just by slowing down a few miles per hour and observing speed limits.
* The law of physics dictate that the higher the speed at impact, the more energy must be rapidly absorbed by hard metal, soft flesh and brittle bone.
* 68% of crashes where people are killed or injured happen on roads where the speed limit is 40mph or less (RCGB 2006).
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According to these figures nearly 3285 people are killed on our roads each year and according to this website 855 are caused by excessive speed alone.


Here's 3 that have just become a statistic :cry:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds ... 261417.stm


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cabbyman wrote:
And that is precisely the type of 'statistic' the government is peddling to brainwash you into the acceptance of speed cameras that 'catch' the 'offender' without the discretion that a trained police officer has available.


Well I'm not brainwashed and my comments had nothing to do with speed cameras.

It was questioning your ludicrous statement:

"100mph on the motorway will not kill you."


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100mph on the motorway will not kill you."

Perhaps not but it'll get you banned and fined if your caught

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If a vehicle hit me at 100 mph I get the feeling it would leave a bigger whole in my vehicle than one hitting me at 10 mph.

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JD wrote:
allo allo wrote:


The police cannot convict or pass sentence on any individual. The offence carries a maximum sentence of four years imprisonment, if you believe that a person would willingly admit to carrying an offensive weapon without first considering not only the circumstances of the use of the so called weapon but also the gravity of the offence then I have to say that only a complete fool would admit to such an offence when considering the carrying of the so called weapon was for use as a domestic purpose.

Even if they did admit to the offence, the time frame of procedure from arrest to statement with all the other niceties thrown in such as finger printing, mug shots, dna etc then I doubt the individual would have been out of the police station for several hours. Therefore you draw your own conclusions from the statement.


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You have never heard of fixed penalties then? Or the issue of official cautions. The chap in question had customers waiting. He was maybe a bit naieve in accepting the bully boy tactics of the police but at the time he was more concerned for his punters. He did ring his Licensing officer to ask if accepting the guilty option would affect his badge and operators license (it will be on his record for the next CRB check) And his LA said it would be ok. I hope the LA doesn't get replaced in the meantime.
The knife itself was of the type that is illegal to carry because it had a locking blade so he pleaded guilty at the station and the matter was dealt with. If had not pleaded guilty he would have been kept overnight and been in court the next day. As he was stopped as part of an anti terrorist crackdown he could have beek detained for 28 days without charge.

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JD wrote:
If a vehicle hit me at 100 mph I get the feeling it would leave a bigger whole in my vehicle than one hitting me at 10 mph.

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It is well documented on this site that I do not at any time exceed the speed limit. Does this mean I will never be killed in a crash?

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