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I don't think it was so good either ........................ but anything thing that brings this problem to the publics attention should be supported.

The rules governing the use of a HC outside of its prescribed distance needs to be clarified.

I have recently had dealings with both Newcastle Council and Berwick Council ............................... and the biggest difference is the COST of licensing a PH vehicle in Newcastle compared with licensing a HC in Berwick.

A point not covered by the programme.

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I don't think it was so good either ........................ but anything thing that brings this problem to the publics attention should be supported.

The rules governing the use of a HC outside of its prescribed distance needs to be clarified.

I have recently had dealings with both Newcastle Council and Berwick Council ............................... and the biggest difference is the COST of licensing a PH vehicle in Newcastle compared with licensing a HC in Berwick.

A point not covered by the programme.

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Why dont you bring this to the BBC's attention stating that Newcastle over charge in the first place, and that all taxi PH licencing should be removed from all councils


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because if the power was removed from councils we would be arguing over the decisions of whatever group replaced them.

The law states that the council can only charge us what it costs to operate the licensing function ......................... I doubt very much that anyone on here can get imediate access to their councils licensing account or get access to a budget from which the licensing function is operated.

This isn't about standards or public safety Skippy ................. its about the amount of money leaving the pockets of Newcastle and entering the pockets of Berwick.

I liked the bit where they admitted plates being used in Wales ................................. even though the TDO boys claimed I was talking $hit when I mentioned it all that time ago.

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The law states that the council can only charge us what it costs to operate the licensing function .........................
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I doubt very much that anyone on here can get imediate access to their councils licensing account or get access to a budget from which the licensing function is operated.

I know about trying to get that info GA we in the Borders have asked time and time agin even under the freedom of information act and all we seem to get is feck off thats for us to know

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This isn't about standards or public safety Skippy ................. its about the amount of money leaving the pockets of Newcastle and entering the pockets of Berwick.


Now GA, If Mrs GA goes shopping she will always look out for a bargain now if she See's the same item at 70% cheaper she would want to bag it wouldn't she??
The same thing applies to the taxi licence prices


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Absolutely Skippy ...................... but that is what this is about .................. if the costs are high and the council aren't giving the correct answers about where they ae spending the money they take off you to operate the licensing function then it is more likely that they are not acting within the law when it comes to the fees they are charging.

Its not, or it shouldn't be, about taking the power from a group which thinks its not accountable into a group that will charge more and offer less.

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Absolutely Skippy ...................... but that is what this is about .................. if the costs are high and the council aren't giving the correct answers about where they ae spending the money they take off you to operate the licensing function then it is more likely that they are not acting within the law when it comes to the fees they are charging.

Its not, or it shouldn't be, about taking the power from a group which thinks its not accountable into a group that will charge more and offer less.

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Is it not time to get all the GMB and other groups and demand that the Government remove all licencing from councils, and place it under the traffic commissioners or some other body that knows whats going on in the trade, where everyone pays the same fare price for a licence and not the over inflated prices charged by most councils


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Not as far as I'm concerned .................. personally I think that any group formed or indeed any existing group WILL NOT have the knowledge of our industry and you will find that existing LO's will form the basis of their staff.

Now bearing in mind that the majority of decisions made by a council are made upon the advice of the LO and its clear (to me) that any other group will make the same mistakes as the councils do.

Now when you bear in mind that a council is controlled in the way it proportions fees and charges and its clear, surely, that they remain best placed ................................... the argument is whether they are being advised correctly and given the facts surrounding any given situation in such a manner that the councils are presented with all sides by the LO's.

Your ideas will lead to prices rising and already confusing and contradictionary policies becoming more so .......................... can't see the benefit in that mate.

Remember Big Sam was no good for the Toon according to some .............................. but the arrival of King Kev has delivered what?

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So what your saying is if the government set the price for all licencing the councils could still administer it,
You will be fully aware that some councils charge overly excessive fee's I would have thought that a maximum fee of £150 would be more than sufficient to cover oporatores licences and that includes all testing and plating, and all drivers badges at £60 for 3 years


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No, what I'm saying is that the fees should be controlled by the costs ............... just as the law defines.

If a council only has 20 HC and 5 PH then its costs per licence would be greater than if there were 200 HC and 50 PH. Although the government could define that 1 LO is required to administer and enforce legislation for so many licenses. Lets say 1 LO for every 50 licenses granted (for arguments sake).

Standards need to be centralised with regard driver training, vehicle testing, vehicle age and medicals to name just a few .............................. but I think that with clearer laws (and by that I mean clarification of existing laws not new ones) I share the governments opinion that councils are best placed to administer and enforce.

I'm just worried that we, as my beloved NUFC, jump out of the frying pan into the fire.

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GA wrote:
but the arrival of King Kev has delivered what?

A lot of happy people pi**ing themselves with laughter. Image

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According to the IoL it's David v Goliath. :shock:

http://www.instituteoflicensing.org/art ... i+war.html

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Sussex wrote:
According to the IoL it's David v Goliath. :shock:

http://www.instituteoflicensing.org/art ... i+war.html


Strange, its doesnt mention that mr Button allegedly advises Berwick? :shock:

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No, what I'm saying is that the fees should be controlled by the costs ............... just as the law defines.

If a council only has 20 HC and 5 PH then its costs per licence would be greater than if there were 200 HC and 50 PH. Although the government could define that 1 LO is required to administer and enforce legislation for so many licenses. Lets say 1 LO for every 50 licenses granted (for arguments sake).


If the cost of a licence is £150 all in, as in Berwick, as it should be :sad: ,thats all everyone should pay
You seam to forget that councils have a tendency to make there own charges up so why should taxi owners in Newcastle pay for example £300 for exactly the same thing
And before you start I have not checked the prices
If Mrs GA knew she could get that top or them new shoes for £150 cheaper in Berwick she would be off there like a whippet


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No, what I'm saying is that the fees should be controlled by the costs ............... just as the law defines.

If a council only has 20 HC and 5 PH then its costs per licence would be greater than if there were 200 HC and 50 PH. Although the government could define that 1 LO is required to administer and enforce legislation for so many licenses. Lets say 1 LO for every 50 licenses granted (for arguments sake).


If the cost of a licence is £150 all in, as in Berwick, as it should be :sad: ,thats all everyone should pay
You seam to forget that councils have a tendency to make there own charges up so why should taxi owners in Newcastle pay for example £300 for exactly the same thing
And before you start I have not checked the prices
If Mrs GA knew she could get that top or them new shoes for £150 cheaper in Berwick she would be off there like a whippet


Shouldnt the cost of the license reflect the cost of the licensing regime?


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According to the IoL it's David v Goliath. :shock:

http://www.instituteoflicensing.org/art ... i+war.html


Strange, its doesnt mention that mr Button allegedly advises Berwick? :shock:

CC

Surely your not implying that the taxi/PH trade is chock-a-block full of vested interests. :roll: :roll:

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