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Employment Screening and the Criminal Records Bureau?

I've never been one to bow to political correctness and I'm not going to start now.

The object of this thread is to ask the question how far should the indigenous population of the United Kingdom go to protect the livelihoods of its own citizens?

Back in 1971 or whatever year it was I voted against joining the EU. The reason why I did that was because I had travelled all around Europe at that time and I wasn't convinced that what they had to offer was beneficial to us Brits.

I can recall the abundance of trade we had with North America, the Far East and Australasia. It was relatively cheap compared to the EU.

However the point I'm trying to make is this, "how can we protect what we have in a way that ensures the continued prosperity of the indigenous population?

I do care about the rest of the world parking there backsides in the United kingdom, especially when it encroaches on the livelihoods of Taxi drivers.

It is no secret that I favour quality controls over quantity controls for the simple reason that the former is ultimately fairer and has a greater degree of control than a system of quantity control.

I'm therefore asking the question with no holes barred, "what quality controls should we insist upon in the Taxi trade in order that the indigenous population of the United Kingdom can sustain a respectable standard of living?

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All drivers to have a minimum qualification of GCSE grade E in English. I am not asking for a grade C like most employers do.

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How about quantity controls?

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jimbo wrote:
How about quantity controls?



Quantity controls of drivers? lol

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How about the ability to understand fluent drunk?

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By utilising the existing facilities of local colleges to provide recognised training for people entering the trade and assessment of those already in it.

Most Further Education Institutions have a policy of delivering their services in English, and for people who don't have English as their first language, Basic English courses are available FREE of CHARGE prior to their acceptance onto any further courses.

This option covers the majority of questions commonly raised, as it is only successful with input by members of the trade.

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Sorry to repeat this, as it appears I'm the only fan on here that agrees with this mandatory policy. Well me and one other.

Mandatory CCTV paid for via the local taxi set tariff. PH via a few pence on each non metered job. :-$

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I run my own business and employ (yes employ) 80-90 drivers.

We have 15 full time evening drivers of which 10 are from Poland. I can spend 5k on advertising to try and persuade 'local' people to drive taxis on Friday and Saturday nights and pay tax for the the privilege of doing so, for my 5K I might get one work shy idiot who lasts 6 weeks if I am lucky.

I can go to Poland for two days (cost-less than £500) and interview a dozen guys each day, of which I would happily employ 50%. They fly over when we have completed the paperwork and spend three to four weeks training before starting work.

Without these guys my business would be much smaller, I would be turning away good customers and I would see my town full of low life turning up on Friday and Saturday nights, filling their pockets with cash and not declaring a penny.

It is fine to want to block others coming here but remember.... that would mean all those old codgers sitting inthe sun in Spain,France and Cyprus all get sent back to live here.

Mind you we could always send back the Scots as well.

Go on, throw it at me.. I don't mind....

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JD wrote:
I'm therefore asking the question with no holes barred, "what quality controls should we insist upon in the Taxi trade in order that the indigenous population of the United Kingdom can sustain a respectable standard of living?

Just read the question properly. :roll: :roll:

I think a fare formula based on local overheads, and the local average wage is a start. Proper enforcement of existing laws, and the binning of those that don't adhere to them would also help.

I've always been a fan of a stiff knowledge, including a written, a verbal and a driven test. DSA is a good thing also IMO.

Basically the higher the entry standards, the more those meeting it will earn. :wink:

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Go on, throw it at me.. I don't mind....


lol Tom you make a fair comment so why should anyone throw it back at you?

However, considering the size of this Island how many more millions do you think we should let in?

Turkey could well be one of the next countries to join the club and I suppose you know the size of Turkey?

The EU has 27 members and half a billion people and stretches as far east as the Black Sea. The three candidates that are currently under negotiation to join the EU are

• Croatia
• The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
• Turkey

Turkey has 74 million people and will be one of the highest populated countries in the EU should it be allowed entry.

Other potential candidates are

• Albania
• Bosnia and Herzegovina
• Kosovo under UN Security Council Resolution 1244
• Montenegro
• Serbia

So where do we stop? Do we let the country become overrun just because a few people prefer Eastern European labour to indigenous live stock?

You tell me where this country should draw the line, or are you of the opinion that it should never close its doors to half the world?

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Tom Thumb wrote:
Without these guys my business would be much smaller, I would be turning away good customers and I would see my town full of low life turning up on Friday and Saturday nights, filling their pockets with cash and not declaring a penny.
With that attitude, you should be careful who you call low life. Some of them run cab firms and don't give a sh*t how they make a buck.

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It is fine to want to block others coming here but remember.... that would mean all those old codgers sitting inthe sun in Spain,France and Cyprus all get sent back to live here.
How many of these old codgers as you call them are taking work from the locals in Spain, France or Cyprus? If these governments want to send them home, that's up to them.

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Mind you we could always send back the Scots as well.
They would be welcome, and you can have back the health care tourists and white settlers we got from you.

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JD...How big? I don't really care as long as adopt free market policies, are democratic and offer equality to all their nationals.

Can someone take me on a tour of all these British guys wanting to be taxi drivers. Sussex is correct, a decent fare structure and high quality standards are the way forward. But not prohibitive ones that are quantity controls in reality.

Gusmac... I guess we will never agree. The low lifes in my book are those who don't regard taxi driving as a profession, just a way to fill their back pocket.

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Gusmac... I guess we will never agree. The low lifes in my book are those who don't regard taxi driving as a profession, just a way to fill their back pocket.
How many of those you are recruiting are going to regard it as a profession? For most it is a means to fill their back pockets far better than they could at home. Once they have made enough they will be off like a shot. What makes them any better?

Have you considered how long it will be before some of them decide they can make more by opening their own office?

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gusmac wrote:
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Gusmac... I guess we will never agree. The low lifes in my book are those who don't regard taxi driving as a profession, just a way to fill their back pocket.
How many of those you are recruiting are going to regard it as a profession?



How many in it now English or Scots regard it as a profession?

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gusmac wrote:
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Gusmac... I guess we will never agree. The low lifes in my book are those who don't regard taxi driving as a profession, just a way to fill their back pocket.
How many of those you are recruiting are going to regard it as a profession? For most it is a means to fill their back pockets far better than they could at home. Once they have made enough they will be off like a shot. What makes them any better?

Have you considered how long it will be before some of them decide they can make more by opening their own office?


Well most of them have been with me two years. All have flown over relatives for holidays to see whatgood jobs they have.

They all have 'plans'. Some are here for three years, some for five. One is here to pay for his kids to get through University (so 6 years).

I don't say they are any better than good local drivers, but Ican't find enough 'good local' drivers who want to work nights. The only ones who seem willing to work in the industry are the low life who come and go, bend the rules and don't feel the need to offer any quality of service. So I don't want them.

As for there own office, the low lifes do that. These guys might, that is a free market. And I like freemarkets cos I reckon I do it better than most soI will be ok because Ican do what I want.

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