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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:48 pm 
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Stinky Pete wrote:
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When I telephoned their office the following day to ask who the driver was the controller said, no idea luv we just give em a ticket so that constitutes a booking and tell em to get in a car it could have been any one of 50 drivers. good ere innit

It's also illegal. :sad:


isn't that how the PH work at Leeds Bradford airport, by ticket


At Leeds Bradford airport, the bookings clerk asks for your post code, then the house number and then she gives you a price which you pay before approaching the car. so they have a record of your details which is slightly different to the way this York office work.


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Tom Thumb wrote:
There is another story here.....

Dad's taxi was parked in his drive whilst 50 private hire vehicles were covering the anti social market.

Or am I missing the point?

Dad had already worked for ten hours, and was making a point to his offspring, regarding how much things cost, I am sure at some point we have all had to tell our families we cannot pick them up, or is that just me.


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There is another story here.....

Dad's taxi was parked in his drive whilst 50 private hire vehicles were covering the anti social market.

Or am I missing the point?

Dad had already worked for ten hours, and was making a point to his offspring, regarding how much things cost, I am sure at some point we have all had to tell our families we cannot pick them up, or is that just me.


Not just you, some of my customers think I work 24 hours a day 7 days a week :roll:

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At Leeds Bradford airport, the bookings clerk asks for your post code, then the house number and then she gives you a price which you pay before approaching the car. so they have a record of your details which is slightly different to the way this York office work.

Does the firm take a note of the driver and vehicle details of each job at the time?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:15 am 
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Sussex wrote:
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At Leeds Bradford airport, the bookings clerk asks for your post code, then the house number and then she gives you a price which you pay before approaching the car. so they have a record of your details which is slightly different to the way this York office work.

Does the firm take a note of the driver and vehicle details of each job at the time?


The ticket you are issued with has the number of the car on it , not the vrn but the fleet number which you give to a marshall and he directs you to the car in question, so yes they have details of the car and the job, they have to do this because you have paid at the desk and the driver gets paid four weeks later on his monthly credit payout.


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Private hire operators have to keep such records of hire as defined by their conditions of license in the 1976 act.

A Private hire operator who has meters installed in the vehicles he operates will have to submit a fare tariff to the council as it is an offence to charge more than what the tariff allows. The tariff can be anything, a council cannot set private hire fares.

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JD wrote:
Private hire operators have to keep such records of hire as defined by their conditions of license in the 1976 act.

A Private hire operator who has meters installed in the vehicles he operates will have to submit a fare tariff to the council as it is an offence to charge more than what the tariff allows. The tariff can be anything, a council cannot set private hire fares.

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But if a PH driver charges more than it says on the meter, is he in breach of a law/council regulations, or in breach of his PH operators rules.

The consequences for the PH driver, could be quite different.

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allo allo wrote:
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Private hire operators have to keep such records of hire as defined by their conditions of license in the 1976 act.

A Private hire operator who has meters installed in the vehicles he operates will have to submit a fare tariff to the council as it is an offence to charge more than what the tariff allows. The tariff can be anything, a council cannot set private hire fares.

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But if a PH driver charges more than it says on the meter, is he in breach of a law/council regulations, or in breach of his PH operators rules.

The consequences for the PH driver, could be quite different.


In England and Wales if a driver of any vehicle, either hackney carriage or private hire charges more than what's on the "meter", under the normal conditions of hire, then they are in breach of the law, whether it be by bylaws, statute law. or conditions made under bylaws.

I would have thought you being a rep for the GMBPDB would be alive to the law.

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allo allo wrote:
But if a PH driver charges more than it says on the meter, is he in breach of a law/council regulations, or in breach of his PH operators rules.

If a PH driver on a circuit charges more than the circuit has quoted the punter, then it's a contractual dispute between the punter and the firm, and a disciplinary dispute between the firm and the driver. :wink:

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Demanding more than the proper fare contrary to the 1847 and 1976 acts constitutes an offence.

Any meter installed in a private hire vehicle must be sealed by the local council in accordance with the 1976 act. Thus if any driver charges more than what the meter displays he is committing an offence. Don't take my word for it ask your LO. One has to take into account special circumstances of certain hires which may incur a special charge, therefore there might be occasions where an agreed fare might be negotiated.

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All you guys who represent drivers in your local area shouldn't have to pose question about meters in private hire vehicles because it is all there in the 1976 act.

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Section 71 Taximeters

(1) Nothing in this Act shall require any private hire vehicle to be equipped with any form of taximeter but no private hire vehicle so equipped shall be used for hire in a controlled district unless such taximeter has been tested and approved by or on behalf of the district council for the district or any other district council by which a vehicle licence in force for the vehicle was issued.

(2) Any person who—

(a) tampers with any seal on any taximeter without lawful excuse; or

(b) alters any taximeter with intent to mislead; or

(c) knowingly causes or permits a vehicle of which he is the proprietor to be used in contravention of subsection (1) of this section.

shall be guilty of an offence.
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I think that is quite explanatory but we have had threads on this before so it shouldn't really be that complicated.

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Thanks for the Heads-up on the act but there is nothing there that says if a PH driver charges more than it says on the meter he is guilty of an offence.

The act refers to the seal, tampering with the meter, or allowing someone else to operate in contravention of ss(1), as the offences.

The act also specifically bars the LA from regulating PH fares so how could they be in any position to take legal action against a PH driver who "overcharges"?

I think Sussex answer on it being a contractual dispute between the punter and the company is nearer the mark.

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allo allo wrote:
Thanks for the Heads-up on the act but there is nothing there that says if a PH driver charges more than it says on the meter he is guilty of an offence.


First of all private hire drivers don't set fares, do they? I think you will find it is the operator who sets the fares and it is also the operator who registers the fares with the council when a taxi-meter is used. So if any private hire driver wanted to charge more than what is displayed on the meter then he would have to confirm it with the operator, wouldn't he? Or does your council allow "private hire drivers" to set fares and charge what they want for any journey?

Before we move onto anything else I think first we first need to bury the notion that private hire drivers can set fares.

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PH owner drivers can charge what ever the hell they want!

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JD wrote:
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Thanks for the Heads-up on the act but there is nothing there that says if a PH driver charges more than it says on the meter he is guilty of an offence.


First of all private hire drivers don't set fares, do they? I think you will find it is the operator who sets the fares and it is also the operator who registers the fares with the council when a taxi-meter is used. So if any private hire driver wanted to charge more than what is displayed on the meter then he would have to confirm it with the operator, wouldn't he? Or does your council allow "private hire drivers" to set fares and charge what they want for any journey?

Before we move onto anything else I think first we first need to bury the notion that private hire drivers can set fares.

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I think it is fair to say that the tariff is set between the LAs and the representative bodies for taxi drivers.

First of all you have to take on board that most if not all private hire/taxi companies have a mix of hackney and private hire drivers. So that being the case there is no way that you are going to have two different meters running within the company with different tariffs.

The only way that the fare could vary in my humble opinion, is when a customer rings up and asks for a quote. Then and only then will the fare vary from the meter via the office. The only time the fare will vary when you are a Hack, and then only off the street is when you are going on an out of towner.

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