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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:49 am 
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I suppose that the next question could be, if you don't hold cost information, how do you work out what the cost is?


lol.....hows my council tax X amount ?

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with any luck they will be part of the 29,000 scheduled for the sack over the next five years :lol:

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yeah its a case of we don't know we just made the price up
count yerself lucky at £1500 a pop up here there defiantly making it up


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It would appear you have got them by the short and curlys no more licence fee increases for you.
why did you want the info are they increasing your fees?


Our badge fees are £117 per year and due to go up this year by 2-3%. I wanted to know the cost of processing a badge application.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:35 am 
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Nigel wrote:
Got the FOI letter back from the Council this morning and it went like this.

Dear Mr Nidge.

We do not hold cost information specifically for the processing of Taxi / Private Hire licences and it is therefore not reasonably practicable to provide data purely for the processing of licenses.

If you have any queries please feel free to contact me.

Are they trying to take my pants down or what?? I thought all costs were recorded and were available through the FOI act?


That is utter b*llocks......you have a duel license ffs

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I know mate I'm not the flavour of the month at the Council at the moment. I've asked for to many FOI requests regarding licensing issues.


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Our badge fees are £117 per year and due to go up this year by 2-3%


when was it advertised in local paper


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Our badge fees are £117 per year and due to go up this year by 2-3%


when was it advertised in local paper


Not been in as yet but that's the price being told to us by the LO's I keep looking in the legal bits but there's nothing in there as yet.


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Our badge fees are £117 per year and due to go up this year by 2-3%


when was it advertised in local paper

They don't have to advertise driver's fees, as they are only meant to cover costs.

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Our badge fees are £117 per year and due to go up this year by 2-3%


Looks like a civil service pay rise is in the offing

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Not been in as yet but that's the price being told to us by the LO's I keep looking in the legal bits but there's nothing in there as yet.


It will have to go to commitee, sussex is correct they dont have to advertise,but as they dont keep accounts how can they increase it?


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I think the unsatisfactory accounts are a decent reason to call for an audit.

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send to the director of your council


Licensing of Hackney Carriages and Private Hire Vehicles, their drivers and Operators.

Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976.
Section 70 - Fees and Charges.


Enquiry submitted under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

Information requested from the Council to allow Nigel to consider the current scale of fees and charges by reference to the costs chargeable by the Council to the Cost Centre(s) covering the licensing of Taxis.

I ask the Council to provide the following information at the earliest opportunity:-


a) Please provide a copy of any report submitted by Licensing officers to the Head of Function or any Council body to request authority to implement the most recently revised scale of fees.

b) Please provide a copy of the financial estimates for the operation of the Taxi Licensing function for 2008/09.

c) Please provide details of the number of vehicle licenses, driver licenses and operator licenses the Council envisages issuing in the current year.

d) Please provide a copy of the Job description of each member of staff wholly or partly employed in the carrying out of the vehicle, driver and operator licensing function. For staff not wholly employed on such activity please advise the percentage of time charged to the taxi and non-taxi activity in their job descriptions.

e) Please advise details of the staff and management structure in respect of taxi licensing.

f) Please advise details of staff costs charged directly to the licensing account
NB. I only request details of the posts and the aggregated total annual forecast cost including all Employer’s on-costs.




g) Please provide a copy of the Subjective Cost Centre(s) Budget(s) for taxi licensing activity showing the estimated costs and income for 2008/09 against each relevant nominal ledger code. Please also supply a copy of the year to date outturn to the last available accounting period and any forecast outturn for the current financial year.

h) Please provide details of how recovery of corporate overhead and any other indirect or apportioned charges are calculated for the Taxi Licensing Subjective cost centre(s).

i) Please advise, under the Council’s Constitution and scheme of delegation, which
Cabinet member(s) and Officers have responsibility for the determination of the
Council’s policies and practice in respect of any matters relating to its powers
under the Town Police Clauses Act 1847 and The Local Government
(Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976.


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Sussex wrote:
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Our badge fees are £117 per year and due to go up this year by 2-3%


when was it advertised in local paper

They don't have to advertise driver's fees, as they are only meant to cover costs.


Yes, but normally when fees are increased they increase all.....not just drivers?

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Where the Licensing Authority has power to set a fee, it should ensure that the amount is reasonable.

In determining what is reasonable reference can be made to the case of the case of R v Greater London Council, ex parte The Rank Organisation (1982).

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http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file50026.pdf

12d Fees charged to service providers

Local Authorities must set fees that are proportionate to the effective cost of the procedure dealt with. As costs vary from region to region, central advice on the level of fees will not be appropriate. Local Authorities will need to bear in mind the threat of a legal challenge should a service provider feel that the levels of fee are being used as an economic deterrent or to raise funds for Local Authorities. Enforcement costs should not be assimilated with the application fee. This is to forestall the possibility of an unsuccessful applicant seeking legal remedy due to part of his fees having been used to subsidise his successful competitors.

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