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| Author: | StuartW [ Fri May 07, 2021 3:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | 62yo Lancs paedo caught out online by police posing as 13yo |
Not job, but presumably headline should read ex-taxi driver. Morecambe taxi driver said he would 'lick spaghetti' from around schoolgirl's mouth https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire- ... d-20535783 Roy Hutson believed he was speaking to a 13-year-old but it was actually an undercover police officer A paedophile taxi driver from Morecambe told a young girl he wanted to lick spaghetti sauce from her mouth. Roy Hutson started talking to who he believed was a 13-year-old girl via Kick messenger in June 2019. Hutson, who is a full-time carer for his wife of 42 years, was actually communicating with an undercover police officer who works within the North West Organised Crime Unit. Preston Crown Court heard the 62-year-old asked ‘Lucy’ to send pictures of herself and said: “I promise you, anything in my private messages stays private, up to you hun if you trust me.” Hutson then asked the girl if she wanted him to be her boyfriend and sent her an emoji of a kissing face. Prosecutor Mark Kellet said: “On June 16 he said ‘where are my kisses’ and said he wanted to spank her. He was talking about sex and said ‘we all have to start somewhere’. “He said, when she was eating spaghetti and had it on her face, that he would like to lick it off." The court heard that the last time Hutson messaged the girl was on July 23 in 2019. Police visited Hutson’s static caravan in Morecambe a few days later on August 1 and arrested him. He later pleaded guilty to attempting to engage in sexual communication with a child, three counts of making indecent photographs of a child, distributing an indecent image of a child, possession of indecent photographs and two counts of possession of extreme pornographic images. Hutson’s computer was forensically examined and was found to contain indecent and graphic images of children. Defence barrister Janet Ironfield said Hutson had attempted to address his behaviour by making contact with the Stop It Now helpline which is aimed at individuals who have an interest in children. “He expresses shame and disgust at himself,” Miss Ironfield said. “He has diabetes, arthritis and sleep apnoea and he is the main carer for his wife of 42 years who also suffers from a number of serious physical problems. “There is a lack of physical intimacy as a result and it is that isolation which led this defendant to use the internet to seek social relationships.” A number of references were submitted on Hutson’s behalf including letters from his wife, her carer Pamela Cook and Joyce Ross, a family friend of 29 years. The court heard that Hutson’s wife, who has epilepsy and is showing early signs of Alzheimer’s Disease, is currently undergoing treatment for cancer. “If the defendant goes to prison it may be that his wife will have to leave their warden-controlled sheltered accommodation and move into a care home,” Miss Ironfield added. The judge, Graham Knowles QC, said he wanted more information about how Hutson’s wife would be affected before he passed sentence. Hutson was granted bail and will return to Preston Crown Court on June 18 to be sentenced. |
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| Author: | StuartW [ Fri May 07, 2021 3:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 62yo Lancs paedo caught out online by police posing as 1 |
Well that was a barrel of laughs ![]() As an aside, noticed that the author of that piece was Amy Fenton, whose name I recognised from several old articles about the Barrow trade. Don't know if anyone recognises Fenton's name, but she recieved death threats and was advised by police to leave her home after accusations of a grooming gang scandal in Barrow, but no evidence was ever found to support the claims, and the woman making the allegations was charged with perverting the course of justice. However, a 50-year-old was given a prison sentence in relation to the messages Fenton and others were sent. Another guy had previously been jailed for threatening to rape her following one of her court reports. Later Fenton was caught drug driving and in possession of cocaine, and was banned from driving. She left the Barrow Mail last year, but has now presumably got a new job with LancsLive, or at least a newspaper that uses the LancsLive brand for its online presence, but I'm not exactly sure what newspaper that is. Anyway, although all that has nothing to do with the trade, this Guardian piece below on Amy Fenton is maybe worth a read, if only to remind us of the risks reporters often take in relation to reporting the kind of stuff we read on here. Also some stuff about the Contempt of Court Act etc, although it's not the easiest article to follow. This piece was originally published about a year ago: Barrow journalist hounded out of Cumbria for reporting court case https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... court-case Amid a storm of rumours about grooming gangs, Amy Fenton receives scores of threats It was 11pm on Sunday when Amy Fenton realised she needed to leave Barrow-in-Furness – and fast. She woke up her five-year-old, grabbed a few toys and bundled her in the car to flee the Cumbria town she has called home for the last 12 years. A police officer had called to say they had assessed dozens of threats made against her over the previous few days and thought there was now a credible risk to not just her life but her child’s too. As chief reporter for the Mail, Barrow’s daily newspaper, Fenton, 35, had made a few enemies over the years. People would usually rather she wasn’t sitting on the press bench when they were found guilty of drink driving or beating their wives. She became hardened to the abuse, even when a local man, Leroy McCarthy, was jailed for 20 weeks in February for threatening to rape her, after she wrote about the Muslim convert’s terrorism conviction for threatening to blow up Furness general hospital. But she was not prepared for what happened last week after the Mail published her report about a 19-year-old woman from Barrow charged with lying about being abused (her name was later taken off the article due to the volume of abuse she was receiving). Just 279 words in length, the story said the woman had appeared in court charged with seven counts of perverting the course of justice. The charges related to seven allegations of rape, sexual assault and sex trafficking made against five different men between 2017 and 2019. The woman – whose name and partial address the Mail published, as it always does when someone appears in court unless reporting restrictions apply – was remanded in custody to await a crown court trial and sent 100 miles away to Wakefield prison. By this point most of Barrow had already heard the woman’s name. She had become the subject of a huge social media storm last week after a long and distressing Facebook post in her name detailed abuse she is said to have suffered this month and for years at the hands of Asian men in towns across the north of England. The Mail had already reported her claims, albeit anonymously. Two days later, she appeared in court, charged with breaching her bail, imposed after she was charged with perverting the course of justice back in March. Legally, that is all the Guardian (or indeed anyone) can say about the woman’s case. As it is now “active”, under the Contempt of Court Act, no one is allowed to publish anything that could prejudice jurors at her trial. The law applies to everyone, not just journalists, but many of the people who started threatening Fenton for her reporting on the case do not understand this, she said. They have alleged she is in bed – sometimes literally – with the men the 19-year-old accused. They were incensed after she wrote a piece last week interviewing an Indian takeaway owner who said they had to temporarily close their business after receiving death threats following rumours of an Asian grooming gang in Barrow. Some of those threatening Fenton suggested that because she is from Blackburn-with-Darwen, Lancashire, which has a large Asian population, she is “in” this rumoured gang. Yet Cumbria police says it conducted a year-long, independently peer-reviewed investigation and found no evidence such a gang existed. In a video statement, Ch Supt Dean Holden said he had to be “very careful ... because I don’t want to undermine any judicial processes” but “what I would say is when the question is asked, ‘Is there an organised gang of Asian men in Barrow conducting abuse and exploitation against individuals?’ - our investigation has shown that has not been corroborated or otherwise evidenced.” In addition, the force said it was investigating a new allegation that “circulated on social media concerning reports of physical and sexual abuse committed against a woman, aged in her late teens” in Barrow. Fenton, now holed up in a secret location outside Cumbria, says she and her colleagues have reported more than 100 threats against her. Cumbria police confirmed it was investigating and on Thursday – as a crown court judge refused the 19-year-old’s application for bail and Barrow’s Labour and Conservative councillors put out an unusual joint statement appealing for calm – the fire service was fitting anti-arson letterboxes to her and her ex-husband’s homes, she said. She says she wants police to use the “full force of the law” against those who have threatened her family. It was when people began to involve her daughter – with one person suggesting she pimped her out to paedophiles – that she decided she wanted them to be prosecuted. “For the last two or three years, I took the stance that I was happy enough if the police just went round and spoke to people and told them it’s not acceptable, but that is not enough now. If people don’t feel the consequences of this behaviour, it won’t stop.” Earlier in the year Oliver Dowden, the culture secretary, responsible for media policy, wrote to Fenton after hearing about the abuse she had suffered, before this alleged grooming scandal blew up. She wants the government to crack down on those who threaten journalists: “This to me is the last straw that highlights that there is such little protection for us journalists. Up until the guy who threatened to rape me [McCarthy] the consistent message from the police when I reported it was that they had to balance these individuals’ right to freedom of speech and expression with my right to be safe. In my mind, this wouldn’t happen if the threats were made against emergency workers. Something needs to change to give us better protection.” The National Union of Journalists has issued a statement condemning threats against her, and Fenton insists she will not be cowed from doing her job. “Nothing is ever going to stop me wanting to be a journalist, ever. It was my dream from the age of about eight and I love my job. “I love the way we are in a position to help people. It’s not just reporting court cases and when bad things happen. I love that we can champion people’s causes and fight for decency and morality and fairness, even though there is never anyone fighting for us.” (This article was amended on 30 May 2020 to clarify that Fenton’s byline was subsequently removed from the article about the 19-year-old woman charged with lying about being abused.) |
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| Author: | StuartW [ Fri May 07, 2021 4:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 62yo Lancs paedo caught out online by police posing as 1 |
And according to this BBC report the woman charged with perverting the course of justice with her grooming gang claims will next appear in court in July. This report is from November last year: Barrow woman denies false rape and trafficking claims https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-55061212 A woman accused of making false claims of rape, sexual assault and trafficking has pleaded not guilty to eight counts of perverting the course of justice. Eleanor Williams, 19, from Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria, appeared at Preston Crown Court where she denied falsifying evidence and making false accusations. The alleged offences involved five men and happened between October 2017 and May 2020. Ms Williams was released on conditional bail with a trial set for August. It is alleged that between October 2017 to October 2019 she falsified evidence and made false allegations of rape against two men. Between June 2019 and October 2019 she is alleged to have falsified evidence and made false allegations to police that three other men were involved in human trafficking for the purposes of sexual exploitation, and sexual assaults. It is further alleged that between 18 and 22 May this year she made false allegations of rape, assault and human trafficking for sexual exploitation. Ms Williams is next due in court for a pre-trial hearing in July 2021. |
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| Author: | edders23 [ Fri May 07, 2021 5:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 62yo Lancs paedo caught out online by police posing as 1 |
perhaps another one for Alex Belfield to rant about
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| Author: | Sussex [ Fri May 07, 2021 7:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 62yo Lancs paedo caught out online by police posing as 1 |
edders23 wrote: perhaps another one for Alex Belfield to rant about ![]() |
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| Author: | StuartW [ Wed Jan 04, 2023 2:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 62yo Lancs paedo caught out online by police posing as 1 |
Sussex has posted the verdict in the false Barrow 'grooming gang' case elsewhere, but interesting to read this backstory and consider what might have happened if the trade had been involved in the accusations. Surprising, in fact, that there's no obvious trade involvement, but the numerous articles on here suggest that the Barrow trade isn't composed primarily of drivers of, er, Pakistani heritage, so that could be a factor in why the perp didn't accuse local drivers of anything. But of course all drivers could just about imagine a more small-scale version of this kind of thing from an attention-seeking fantasist like this (to put it as nicely as possible) in the back of their car Fortunately not bright enough to concoct something that wasn't so easily disproven, though. And, I mean, who would inflict injuries like that on themselves? On the other hand, the list of the claimed injuries listed below was presumably quite easily disproven Eleanor Williams: The grooming gang lies that sparked outrage https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-64150026 Eleanor Williams said she was the victim of a grooming gang and had been raped multiple times, sparking outrage and protests in her home town. But as she is convicted of multiple counts of perverting the course of justice for inventing the whole story, the BBC looks at the impact her lies had. The horrific story Eleanor Williams told on social media quickly went viral. The then 19-year-old claimed she had been passed around for sex "for years" across the North of England by an Asian gang who drugged her, beat her, blackmailed her and threatened her with weapons. It captivated her home town of Barrow, Cumbria, heaped pressure on the police, led to abuse for local journalists and excited the far right. Now, a jury has decided her tales of being trafficked abroad and the photos of her injuries were all lies. The bruises that hundreds of thousands saw in her Facebook photos were real, but they were caused by Williams' own hand after she attacked herself with a hammer. Months before she posted her lies, she had been relating an even more elaborate story to the police, claiming a string of innocent men were rapists, sex traffickers and armed murderers. One man, she said, had trafficked her to Amsterdam, forced her to work in a brothel and sold her in a slave auction. But his phone and bank records showed he had been shopping in B&Q in Barrow at the time. Another, she said, was an Asian drug dealer who had threatened to kill her and dump her in the sea unless she had sex with multiple men. He was actually a young white Tesco worker from Essex who she had been speaking to on a dating site. She claimed she was forced to have sex with multiple men in one night in Blackpool, but CCTV footage proved she had been shopping and spent the night alone in her hotel room. Some of the men she accused were arrested - one was charged and spent 10 weeks on remand in prison - all said their lives had been ruined by her baseless allegations. Now, nearly three years after her claims were made public, a jury has convicted Williams, 22, of eight counts of perverting the course of justice. This was an unusual case. In Cumbria in 2020-21, there were 46 reported offences of perverting the course of justice. In comparison, there were 1,177 reports of rape, sexual assault and trafficking. In March 2020, Barrow, on the southern tip of Cumbria, was trying to make sense of the life under the first Coronavirus lockdown. Largely confined indoors, many people were focused on social media. Williams' posts horrified those who saw them - and made many people angry. Her trial heard from numerous witnesses who recounted how "everyone" in Barrow knew her story. She said her abuse was being perpetrated by "evil yet clever men" who were "mostly Pakistani". But Williams went further - she wrote: "I am not the only girl in Barrow who has gone through this or is going through this." Her lies aroused interest from the far right. There were protests where people met up for socially-distanced rallies on retail parks where they would sit in their cars and beep their horns in unison. Some took things further and staged protests outside Barrow's police station and the offices of the local paper, The Mail, claiming not enough was being done about the town's supposed grooming problem. Far right bloggers promoted the protests and, in some cases, attended them, though not necessarily at the invitation of the organisers. The best known was Stephen Yaxley Lennon, better known by his pseudonym Tommy Robinson. Williams' family wrote on Facebook that they did "not want him involved", but he spoke to some of those she accused and in a video report at the time he said he had discovered "conflicting accounts" that he "didn't expect". Mohammed Ramzan, a well-known Barrow businessman, was one of those Williams accused. He described how in the months after her viral Facebook posts, their town was "a step away from anarchy". He was arrested in 2019 after Williams told police he was one of her principal abusers who had sexually abused her since she was 12 or 13. As the rumours spread, windows at his home were smashed, his businesses premises and his ice cream vans were attacked and he was frequently verbally abused in the street. As tensions rose, Mr Ramzan himself received a community order for non-violent harassment of some of Williams' family. He says it was due to online comments where he was defending himself. Jordan Trengove was another of Williams' victims, but unlike the others he was charged on the basis of her allegations and spent 10 weeks on remand in prison, before being cleared. He described spending time in a cell with "an actual paedophile" who admitted to his crime. "Once something's said in Barrow, because it's such a small town, that's it, it's stuck with you for the rest of your life," he said. 'Not corroborated' In April 2020, after a month of fever-pitch protests, Cumbria Police announced that Williams had been charged with perverting the course of justice. The following month, the force revealed that, after a year-long investigation, claims of a grooming gang operating in Barrow had "not been corroborated". It seemed to run completely contrary to the vivid and detailed story that Williams had told on Facebook. She listed how her abusers had broken her ribs, broken bones in her face, split her ear, cut her throat, attempted to cut off her breasts, carved words into her skin, branded her, used her as an ashtray, dislocated her elbow and "beaten me black". She said they had given her drugs to the point she was "nearly addicted to heroin" and had "stripped me naked, beaten me and dumped me in the middle of nowhere". The police announcements appeared to strengthen the resolve of Williams' supporters in Barrow and further afield. Hashtags dedicated to her trended, supportive videos appeared online, posters popped up in windows across Barrow and money was raised. One online fundraising campaign to "Get Justice for Ellie" raised more than £22,000. The protests continued, including one outside Preston Crown Court when she appeared to enter a not guilty plea. By the time her trial eventually began in October (having been delayed since 2021) those she had accused had waited more than three years since their arrests. Williams had also spent more than a year in prison after she breached her bail conditions. As the case opened, the questions about how all of Williams' claims, seemingly supported by photos, could have been made-up were addressed from the start. Prosecution counsel Jonathan Sandiford KC described the defendant as "a serial liar". Her defence was that most of her allegations were true, except some which she had been forced to fabricate by her abusers. She had used two phones to text herself messages from her "abusers", and she had changed the names of her Snapchat contacts to make it appear she was conversing with people traffickers. Mostly she had relied on the good nature of police officers and people in Barrow who took her distressing claims at face value. Many of her allegations were disproved easily with evidence from CCTV, bank records, phone records and social media searches. The jury learned she had admitted in a police interview that she lied about being trafficked to Ibiza and raped when the officers pointed out they could simply check flight records to corroborate her story. Possibly the most shocking for those in her home town was the revelation that she was responsible for the painful injuries they had seen on her Facebook posts. Detectives had recovered a hammer stained with her blood, identical to one she had bought days earlier, and a pathologist concluded her injuries were consistent with self-inflicted blows. 'Getting my life back' The question of her motivation was one that eluded the trial - a transcript from one police interview showed an officer asking her whether she simply liked getting the force's attention. But speculation over the inspiration for her stories has been rife - in court Mr Sandiford pointed out the similarities between some of her claims and the plots of the Liam Neeson film Taken and the BBC drama Three Girls. Mr Ramzan suggested his accuser had lifted part of the plot for her story from the Hollywood thriller Gone Girl. "It's so many movies put together and you've just thrown my name in the mix and for what reason? It just baffles me. It's horrendous," he said. For Mr Ramzan, Mr Trengove and the string of other innocent men Williams accused, it is the end of a nightmarish chapter of their lives. After three years of being haunted by a dark and entirely fictitious past, Mr Ramzan told me he is looking to the future. "I'm getting my life back now," he said. ![]() ![]() Images: Mail Online |
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| Author: | edders23 [ Wed Jan 04, 2023 2:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 62yo Lancs paedo caught out online by police posing as 1 |
Quote: except some which she had been forced to fabricate by her abusers. what a ridiculous asinine statement she got what she deserved ! |
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| Author: | StuartW [ Wed Jan 04, 2023 3:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 62yo Lancs paedo caught out online by police posing as 1 |
This on Sky News is also interesting as regards the perp's background, and the extent of the self-inflicted injuries. And also on the other stuff that resulted in Barrow, such as death threats and destruction of businesses and property. Can't see it mentioned anywhere, but I wonder if the mental health condition Munchausen syndrome (fictitious illnesses to gain attention, which may involve self-inflicted injuries) might be a factor in all of this? Eleanor Williams: How woman's lies and self-inflicted injuries unleashed hatred and death threats against Asian family https://news.sky.com/story/eleanor-will ... y-12779252 Today the jury concluded Williams's story was fabricated. She was found guilty of eight counts of perverting the course of justice. Her allegations had triggered protests, attended by some on the far right, in the town of Barrow-In-Furness and in other towns across the north of England. Anyone who walked into court and saw her in the witness box, pale-faced, long hair scraped back, white blouse under a drab black cardigan, would have assumed Eleanor Williams was the victim. If you were a student of law and you'd just gone into the public gallery, as some did that day, and you were listening to her describe in detail the sexual abuse, the shocking violence, the coercive control - you'd find yourself looking to the dock for who had allegedly done this. On 6 December, in court 10 at Preston Crown Court, there was no one in the dock. It was an empty glass box. The accused in this case was the woman giving evidence, 22-year-old Williams, and the Crown's case against her was that everything she was saying was a lie. Not just that the abuse never happened and that the account she was giving was make-believe, but that the evidence police had found, such as threatening text messages from the men - she'd written herself. It was alleged she'd created fake social media accounts to make it look like she was being intimidated and that the multiple times she'd turned up at work or home with bruises and black eyes, she'd done this to herself. Even the knife marks on her breasts, and that someone had carved the word "RAT" into the skin of her stomach after she spoke to the police - that someone was Williams. And the details of grooming, and the back rooms and the sex parties that she described to the jury over several days in the witness box - they were all in her head. What is more, with her lies she had stirred up hatred against a group of men - causing windows to be smashed and livelihoods destroyed, and wasted weeks of police time. And so she faced eight counts of perverting the course of justice, to which she pleaded not guilty. Her defence was that her testimony was true - that there was a gang of men in the seaside town of Barrow-In-Furness who'd been trafficking and raping young girls over a number of years. Court finds story was made up Today the jury concluded Williams's story was indeed fabricated. She was found guilty of eight counts of perverting the course of justice. Williams's allegations had triggered protests, attended by some on the far right, in the town of Barrow-in-Furness and in other towns across the north of England. Although four of the men she'd accused were white, her central allegation was against a local restaurant owner called Mohammed Ramzan, and several other Asian men. Mr Ramzan told the jury it led to him receiving more than 500 death threats. Mr Ramzan denied knowing Williams apart from a single passing encounter at a family party. But he told Sky News that as a result of her allegations, his whole family were threatened. "We had messages like people are going to rape my wife in front of me. From Islamophobia, to racism, to just general hate - people wishing me dead," he said. "My children had fire extinguishers, baseball bats next to their beds for their safety because we had threats. People were going to burn the shops down, burn us down. "We had rental properties in town - smashed in. Is that the type of persecution that goes on today in a town where there's only a handful of Asians, and everybody knows these Asians? "They've all dealt with me. I've fed them all because I've been in the food industry. I've fed them all, from the children to the adults to the grandparents... and they turned on me." Reported missing 32 times There's no doubt that Williams was a troubled teenager. In her late teens she became withdrawn and in early 2019, aged 18, she suddenly left home, moving to a block of flats in Barrow-in-Furness. Over seven months, her mother, Allison Johnston, said she reported her daughter missing 32 times. Mrs Johnston told Sky News: "She was going missing for days on end. I was driving around where she lived and I noticed that a light was on in her flat so I went and knocked on the door and she opened the door and her face was, she had two black eyes, it was so swollen I hardly recognised her and she had a cut across her neck. She was just black and blue all over." Mrs Johnston said over the course of several months her daughter would often appear with injuries. She said: "She's still got a scar on her throat. Her ear's been cut, her finger's been cut. She's got 'rat' carved across her stomach. She's got marks around her ankles." Boss thought Williams was being bullied Staff at the pub where Williams worked also noticed the injuries. Brian Smith, the manager, said: "Her basic excuse at the time was that she just kept bumping into things, and she was very clumsy, which didn't ring true to me with the type of injuries that she had." He thought she was being bullied: "One day she came in with a particularly bad set of black eyes... So she was by the lockers out the back after we finished shift one day and she was a bit upset. And I said to her 'look, just tell me what's going on. I'll be able to help you, they're only kids.' "She didn't say anything for about two minutes. And then she said that it wouldn't stop and they weren't children. They were grown men. And it wouldn't stop because they were using her to get profit." Huge rallies after Williams puts injury images online Police in Barrow began an investigation. They found evidence on her phone that suggested Williams was being sexually exploited and trafficked by a group of men. But months later Cumbria Police would change their tack and arrest Williams for lying - fabricating the evidence that she was a victim. Then one evening in May 2020, while on bail, Williams went missing again. She was found by police bloodied in a field near her family home. At this point she made the decision to go public with her allegations and posted them on Facebook, including pictures of her injuries. She was rearrested within minutes of putting it up, but the reaction to the post was explosive. Dan Taylor, chief reporter at The Mail in Barrow, said: "It was a shockwave really, it was just right through the town. "There were these huge rallies, which loads of people attended. People beeping horns and things like that. "People thought, how can this have happened and I think not too long after that, it was police outside takeaways, it was smashed windows, it was people being abused on social media." Prosecution argued Williams was a fantasist At Preston Crown Court, evidence emerged Williams appeared to have faked messages and letters to herself from Mr Ramzan and others. The prosecution argued that she was a fantasist. Evidence showed she was staying in a hotel she'd booked herself, at a time when she said she was being raped by men in Blackpool. She later admitted she had made this up, but claimed the men had forced her to tell the story to discredit her. The prosecution also provided evidence to contradict claims that she had been trafficked to Ibiza and Amsterdam. More than 20 women whom Williams listed as present at sex parties all denied being there. The prosecution claimed Williams had either known the girls from school or found their details online. The jury was told that Williams went to great lengths to convince people she was a victim, including buying a hammer from Tesco and causing injuries to herself. In court Williams said: "I didn't buy a hammer to hurt myself - I'm not a psychopath." But a Home Office pathologist said the wounds on one occasion showed signs of being self-inflicted. The defence would later argue that this pathologist report only referred to one set of injuries when there had been many others. 'I think she is a psychopath' Mr Ramzan told Sky News: "If you look at the pathologist reports, what they're saying and the way the injuries are happening, it's all consistent to a person doing them to themselves, and it's with a hammer, you know, a 10-ounce hammer, I'm sure we would break a bone. And that's quite funny that not a single bone was broken or fractured… I think she is a psychopath." Williams' mother still does not believe her daughter inflicted the injuries upon herself. "Who would cut their own throat?" she said. "I work with people that self-harm. I work with people with mental health issues. The thing that really always gets me is, if you were harming yourself to that degree, you would have some kind of significant mental health issues. And Ellie was not displaying any of those. She was getting up and going to work." Williams' sentencing has been adjourned until 13 and 14 March. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 62yo Lancs paedo caught out online by police posing as 1 |
That is one hell of a nutty and screwed-up bird. Think of the damage she has done, and what extra damage she would have done if not sussed out. She needs locking up, but when she eventually comes out folks up there need to be well aware of her. |
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| Author: | StuartW [ Sun Jan 08, 2023 3:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 62yo Lancs paedo caught out online by police posing as 1 |
Well the perp's mother doesn't believe that the injuries were self-inflicted. No surprise there. But the mother is a councillor in Barrow, and is currently listed as a reserve member of the licensing committee So she doesn't believe the verdict of a criminal court proved 'beyond all reasonable doubt'? Interesting https://democracy.barrowbc.gov.uk/mgUse ... px?UID=125 Mum of Eleanor Williams does not believe injuries were self-inflicted https://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/23228306 ... inflicted/ THE mother of Eleanor Williams has said she does not believe her daughter's injuries were self-inflicted. Allison Johnston said her daughter was not displaying any significant mental health issues and asked: "Who would cut their own throat?" Williams, who was convicted of perverting the course of justice on Tuesday, took to Facebook in May 2020 to share allegations that she was the victim of an Asian grooming gang and posted photos showing injuries to her face and body. During a trial at Preston Crown Court, prosecutors claimed Williams had inflicted the injuries upon herself using a hammer. But Mrs Johnston, a Labour councillor who represents Barrow Island, does not believe that. She told Sky News: "She's still got a scar on her throat. Her ear's been cut, her finger's been cut. She's got 'rat' carved across her stomach. She's got marks around her ankles. "I work with people that self-harm. I work with people with mental health issues. The thing that really always gets me is, if you were harming yourself to that degree, you would have some kind of significant mental health issues. "And Ellie was not displaying any of those. She was getting up and going to work." Pathologist Dr Alison Armour told jurors she believed injuries found on Williams' body were not consistent with the defendant being attacked and were more likely to have been self-inflicted with a hammer. During the trial, Williams told the court she had purchased a hammer for use in her home. “I wouldn’t buy a hammer to hurt myself, I’m not a psychopath," she said. Her barrister Louise Blackwell KC told the court 'Dr Armour's evidence [did] not cover the vast majority of injuries'. "We can see, over a period of time, a substantial and, I submit to you, disturbing amount of injuries to Miss Williams," she said. "What has happened to Miss Williams that she ends up with these sorts of injuries?" Ms Blackwell told the jury that Williams said she was a victim of sexual abuse. During the course of the three-month trial, jurors were told how Williams moved out of her family home on Walney aged 18 to live in a flat on Barrow Island. Williams, who jurors convicted of eight counts of perverting the course of justice in around three hours, is to be sentenced on March 13 and 14. Mrs Johnston was approached by The Mail to comment on Wednesday but did not wish to at this time. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 62yo Lancs paedo caught out online by police posing as 1 |
Quote: Allison Johnston said her daughter was not displaying any significant mental health issues and asked: "Who would cut their own throat?" An out and out f***ing nutter, that's who. Quote: Many of her allegations were disproved easily with evidence from CCTV, bank records, phone records and social media searches. The jury learned she had admitted in a police interview that she lied about being trafficked to Ibiza and raped when the officers pointed out they could simply check flight records to corroborate her story. Possibly the most shocking for those in her home town was the revelation that she was responsible for the painful injuries they had seen on her Facebook posts. Detectives had recovered a hammer stained with her blood, identical to one she had bought days earlier, and a pathologist concluded her injuries were consistent with self-inflicted blows. Clearly the sub licensing councillor has a huge problem with reality.
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| Author: | edders23 [ Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 62yo Lancs paedo caught out online by police posing as 1 |
well she's appealing the verdict https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-64792802 A woman who falsely claimed she was raped and trafficked by an Asian grooming gang has launched an appeal against her conviction. Eleanor Williams, 22, of Barrow-in-Furness, was found guilty of perverting the course of justice in January. She posted photos on social media of injuries she said were from beatings but had inflicted them on herself. Williams is yet to be sentenced and the Ministry of Justice said the appeal process is in "the early stages". Her Facebook post in May 2020 was shared more than 100,000 times and sparked demonstrations in her home town in Cumbria. The 10-week trial at Preston Crown Court was told the post was the "finale" to her story and she had accused a number of men of rape, going back to 2017. She had told police she was consistently groomed and trafficked by Asian men. On May 19 2020 she was found by officers near her home on Walney Island with injuries which she claimed were inflicted by a gang after she was taken to a house in the town and raped. But the prosecution claimed Williams caused the injuries to herself with a hammer, which was found with her blood on close by. The photos of her injuries went viral on social media The trial heard Williams went online to "effectively find random names" to present as either victims or perpetrators of trafficking. Some of the people she made allegations about were real while others did not exist, the jury heard. She had sent some messages to herself, and in other cases manipulated real people to send messages she then claimed were from abusers. A Snapchat account Williams claimed belonged to an Asian trafficker was found to belong of a young white man from Essex who believed she was his friend. Another Snapchat account of an alleged abuser was created at her mother's address, police found. The court heard she fabricated text messages from her so-called abusers Williams had falsely claimed a local business owner had groomed her from the age of 12 and made her work in brothels in Amsterdam and sold her at an auction there. However the court heard that at the time of her allegations, his bank card was being used in at B&Q in Barrow. During her evidence, Williams denied telling a "pack of lies". Asked about her 2020 Facebook post, she said: "I wanted people to know what was going on in Barrow, still is going on." The jury took three and a half hours to find Williams guilty of eight counts of doing acts tending and intended to pervert the course of justice. And she's delusional enough to believe she has a chance of overturning this conviction
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| Author: | Sussex [ Wed Mar 01, 2023 8:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 62yo Lancs paedo caught out online by police posing as 1 |
Quote: And she's delusional enough to believe she has a chance of overturning this conviction ![]() As I said, an out and out f***ing nutter. |
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| Author: | StuartW [ Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 62yo Lancs paedo caught out online by police posing as 1 |
Lots of rehash here. Don't know if I missed it before, but an interesting titbit about how one of the accused was cleared - at the time of the alleged rape, he'd been lifted by police after a taxi rank argument Good alibi Three men tried to take their own lives after false rape allegations made by 'fantasist' woman, 22, who lied about being the victim of an Asian grooming gang, court hears https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... hears.html
She is to be sentenced at Preston Crown Court on Tuesday for nine offences For help, call the Samaritans on 116 123 or visit http://www.samaritans.org Three men tried to take their own lives after false rape allegations were made by a 'fantasist woman' who lied about being abused by an Asian grooming gang, a court has heard. Eleanor Williams, 22, was found guilty of perverting the course of justice earlier this year after accusing a number of men of rape and posting pictures on Facebook claiming to show injuries sustained at the hands of a grooming gang. The post, made during the Covid lockdown in May 2020, was shared more than 100,000 times online and sparked national outrage, leading to demonstrations in her hometown of Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria. But she was found to have made it up, with a jury at Preston Crown Court finding her guilty of eight counts of doing acts tending and intended to pervert the course of justice in January this year. On the first day of her two-day sentencing hearing, Mohammed Ramzan, a business owner who was accused of grooming Williams, told the court his life had been made 'hell on earth' by the allegations. Mr Ramzan, who was in tears as he spoke from the witness box, said two weeks after he was arrested following Williams' claims he attempted to take his own life. He said: 'I still bear the scars to this day.' Mr Ramzan said his property had been damaged and his businesses had been 'ruined' after he and his family were targeted 'in the most horrendous way'. He said: 'I have had countless death threats made over social media from people all over the world because of what they thought I was involved in.' In a statement read to the court, Jordan Trengove said the word 'rapist' had been spray painted across his house and his window was smashed after Williams accused him of raping and attacking her. After he was charged following Williams' claims, he said he spent 73 days in prison, where he shared a cell with a convicted sex offender. He said: 'Things had calmed down a bit until the Facebook post in 2020. 'This made things even worse for me. There were big protests and marches in Barrow. 'The lowest point was when I tried to end my life in August 2020.' And a second man, Oliver Gardner, said his chance encounter with Williams in Preston led to him being sectioned under the Mental Health Act. Mr Gardner, who was accused of rape after he met Williams in the city centre, said it was a 'real shock' when he was contacted by Cumbria Police and told of her claims, adding: 'It was just a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.' In his statement, he said he tried to end his life before being sectioned, saying: 'This whole period in my life has been totally overwhelming.' Cameron Bibby, who was the first man accused of rape by Williams in 2017, said he had to remove himself from most social media. He continued to say that because of the online abuse, he also became scared to pick his son up from nursery because of the way people looked at him. He said after Williams posted her account on Facebook, his neighbours displayed 'Justice for Ellie' stickers in their windows, which 'intimidated' him. During the hearing today, the court was also shown videos of English Defence League founder Tommy Robinson attending protests at Hollywood Retail Park in Barrow in May 2020. In a statement, Superintendent Matthew Pearman said after Williams Facebook post, in which she published photos of injuries which the prosecution claim she inflicted herself with a hammer, there was 'unprecedented outcry on social media within the town of Barrow'. He said: 'Barrow had not seen such public displays of mass anger for over 30 years.' The court heard there were 151 extra crimes following the Facebook post, including 83 hate crimes. Deputy Chief Constable Mark Webster said in a statement some businesses had closed and members of the community had left their homes because of the outcry. In defending Williams, Louise Blackwell KC said: 'Miss Williams continues in her allegations against the various people in pretty much the same circumstances.' Williams was 19 years old when she claimed on Facebook she had been raped and abused by a grooming gang operation in the coastal town of Barrow. It sparked protests and led to former English Defence League founder Tommy Robinson visiting the town to 'investigate' the claims. Williams' trial, which began in October last year, heard she had accused a number of men of rape, going back to 2017, and told police she was groomed and trafficked by an Asian gang. On May 19 2020, she was found by officers near her home on Walney Island with injuries which she claimed were inflicted by the gang after she was taken to a house in the town and raped. But the prosecution claimed Williams caused the injuries to herself with a hammer, which was found with her blood on close by. It was alleged Williams sent some messages to herself, making them appear as if they were from traffickers or fellow victims, and in other cases manipulated real people to send messages which she then said were from her abusers. During the trial in October 2022, the jury was told some of the people she made allegations about were real, while others, the prosecution claimed, did not exist. Her false stories had a profound impact on her six victims. At least one man told media he felt suicidal after being tarnished by the lurid accusations. These included claims that she had been drugged and raped by multiple people since she was 12 years old, and that she had been trafficked to places such as Ibiza and Amsterdam and abused by men there. Back then, Prosecutor Jonathan Sandiford KC compared the allegation with a scene from Liam Neeson film Taken, where the main character tracks down a human trafficking gang that had abducted his daughter. Williams had claimed business owner Mohammed Ramzan had groomed her from the age of 12, and had put her to work at brothels in Amsterdam and sold her at an auction there. But the court heard at the time she was in the Dutch capital, his bank card was being used at a B&Q in Barrow. When confronted with evidence that she had been with her sister and her sister's boyfriend the whole time she was in Amsterdam and the abuse could not have happened, Williams maintained her version of events was correct. Restaurant owner Mohammed Ramzan, whom Williams claimed had groomed her from the age of 12, was arrested over her lies and said he and his family received more than 500 death threats. He branded her 'delusional' and a 'fantasist' in court. Amid heightened racial tensions one curry house had its windows smashed and a Muslim takeaway owner was chased down the street by men who poured alcohol on his head. It also painted a target on the backs of the men she accused. One man saw his wife leave him over the claims, while another family were forced to move away from the town altogether. On another occasion she accused a man of threatening to kill her unless she had sex with eight men in Blackpool, local newspaper The Mail reported. But this was another fabrication, with CCTV showing she booked herself into a hotel and then stayed inside apart from a brief walk to the shops. She accused another man, Jordan Trengove, of raping her – an allegation that led to him spending ten weeks on remand in prison. He was finally cleared when police realised he had been in the back of one of their vans at the exact time he was supposed to have raped her – he had been arguing at a taxi rank when he was spotted by officers. Evidence that she posted on social media, including messages from the men who were alleged to have abused her, were found to be misleading or outright false by police. During her evidence, Williams denied telling a 'pack of lies' to the police and the jury. Asked about her Facebook post, she said: 'I wanted people to know what was going on in Barrow, still is going on.' But the jury did not believe her, instead finding her guilty of making the claims up and causing her own injuries as part of a fantasy. She had pleaded guilty at an earlier hearing to one count of perverting the course of justice, which related to contacting her sister and mother with requests for them to take a hammer to her solicitor. Williams, of Teasdale Road, Barrow, is expected to be sentenced on Tuesday 14 March for nine offences of doing acts tending and intended to pervert the course of justice. If you have been affected by this story, you can call the Samaritans on 116 123 or visit http://www.samaritans.org. |
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| Author: | edders23 [ Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 62yo Lancs paedo caught out online by police posing as 1 |
I reckon this whole sorry saga would make a good Hollywood blockbuster ! |
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