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Author:  StuartW [ Thu Feb 09, 2023 5:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Hull fares debate as HCD says don't pay for off-meter runs

(Edit: Not going to change all the stuff below now, but seems the Hull tariff card on the council's website isn't the current one ](*,) Which would explain the PHTM discrepancy, plus why the flagfall on the council's website is £3.00, while the HC rep in the article says it's £3.50. Not sure how old that council tariff card is (link below) but the figures on it (as detailed below), suggest it must be quite a few years old now :-o )


Can't work this one out at all. Flag on both T1 and T2 is £3.00.

The flagfall distance is the same as the subsequent increments of 130 yards on T1 and 100 yards on T2, and the increments are 10p.

So the running mile is just £1.36 on T1 and £1.76 on T2 :-o

So although the £6.80 on the PHTM two-mile isn't the worst, it will look better than it is in the round, because after that the running mile is pitiful. Shorter runs aren't too bad, because there's effectively no flagfall distance, and the meter starts cranking up almost immediately.

Anyway, to that extent I can't work this out at all. According to Google the trip below is a five-mile run.

So being generous and simply adding five running miles onto the flagfall, on T1 the fare is about £10, and on T2 about £12 :-o

Yet she was charged, £22 apparently, and the run is normally £15, she claims :?

I initially thought the driver might have been on T2, but even allowing for traffic, and assuming the Google figures are optimistic on the route, even the normal £15 seems well over clock.

Anyway, there's over 100 comments on the Hull Daily Mail's website. As usual, it's more heat than light, and the usual tosh about Uber.

But anyone who wants to check my figures can find the council tariff card here. Maybe I'm missing something, and can't get my head round a five mile run being £10 on T1 and £12 on T2. And I make the two-mile run about £5.80, thus a pound less than the PHTM figure:

https://www.hull.gov.uk/business/licens ... iage-fares

And the Google route here:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Pennine ... 743639!3e0


Hull woman shocked to pay more than £20 for a taxi from town to Bransholme

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hu ... re-8115337

The £22 fare was much more than she expected

A Hull woman was left shocked when she paid more than £20 for a taxi from Hull city centre to Bransholme.

The taxi, which was caught from the rank outside The Empress pub on Alfred Gelder Street, cost the woman £22 - substantially more than the £15 she is used to paying for the same journey, despite there being no hold-ups. The incident has raised questions over the pricing structures and general issues with Hull's taxi provision.

In a post on the Hull Traffic & Travel Facebook page, Anneliese posted: "I know we have inflation at the moment, but I was charged £22 in a taxi from Alfred Gelder Street to Pennine Way, North Bransholme yesterday and yes he was registered. Is there any way I can check on the fare I was charged."

In a later amendment, she added: "The only reason I have questioned the charge of £22 is that I have got a black cab from the same rank outside Empress pub on a regular basis and only been charged roughly £15 to £16 until yesterday."

The line of enquiry quickly generated a whole host of responses, with many people keen to voice their opinion about the state of Hull's taxi services.

Mike said: "How many people, did you have in the cab was there luggage etc. Was it a straight drive, did you go somewhere on the way, drop or pick some one up or ask to go a specific way. What time of day was it and was the traffic bad? These things can all add up."

Liz said: "A black cab is always more expensive and the price goes up in all taxis in peak times my hubby is a taxi driver they have different times, one being past midnight."

After Anneliese confirmed that her journey was at 4.30pm, Liz added: "Peak time then 3-5pm is peak time there is more traffic the cars are stood longer running using fuel same as a morning peak time is 7-9am when there is more traffic etc x."

Gary felt very strongly about the issue, saying: "This is why we need Uber in Hull at least you know what you are paying before you get in the car, I have travelled most of the world and Hull has the worst taxi service anywhere."

Jade seemed to confirm that she believed Anneliese had been overcharged with her comment: "I got a taxi the other week from Hull Royal to North Bransholme and it was £14."

With so much controversy around Hull's taxi provision at the moment, Peter Nilsson, former Chairman of the Hull Hackney Carriage Association, has offered taxi users the following advice: "Advice for using a Taxi (Black Cab) in Hull. Take a photo of the taxi or driver. No professional driver will mind you doing this.

"Make sure when the journey starts, the driver starts the taxi meter.The taxi meter starts at £3.50 in every taxi in Hull. It’s been illegal since January 2018 to charge for any card payment transaction.

"We don’t have set prices per journey (drivers can quote a rough idea of what the price may be) or per person. When the journey begins, the meter starts. At the end of the journey whatever is on the taxi meter is the price you pay.

"If the driver doesn’t use his meter, the ride is free. After all, if the meter isn’t on, how does the driver know what to charge? If you have any issue in a taxi, record the journey. If you have any issue in a taxi, please contact me by sending me a DM."

Author:  StuartW [ Thu Feb 09, 2023 5:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hull fares debate as HCD says don't pay for off-meter ru

Peter Nilsson, former Chairman of the Hull Hackney Carriage Association wrote:
"Advice for using a Taxi (Black Cab) in Hull. Take a photo of the taxi or driver. No professional driver will mind you doing this."

Oh, aye? :roll:

Peter Nilsson, former Chairman of the Hull Hackney Carriage Association wrote:
"If the driver doesn’t use his meter, the ride is free. After all, if the meter isn’t on, how does the driver know what to charge?"

Not keen on that either. What about agreed/fixed fares, particularly to out-of-area? I know the meter should be engaged in-area even if it's an agreed fare, but in practice does that always happen?

Mr Nilsson's comments could be used by opportunists to avoid paying the fare [-(

Author:  Sussex [ Thu Feb 09, 2023 8:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hull fares debate as HCD says don't pay for off-meter ru

Quote:
Peter Nilsson, former Chairman of the Hull Hackney Carriage Association

Not much of a surprise that this fella is the former chairman.

Free ride, what a pratt.

Author:  grandad [ Sat Feb 11, 2023 11:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hull fares debate as HCD says don't pay for off-meter ru

I didn't think it was legal to have an "agreed fare" for a hackney whilst working in area. I thought that the meter has to be used and the fare charged can be anything up to the metered fare but not a penny more?

Author:  StuartW [ Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hull fares debate as HCD says don't pay for off-meter ru

Grandad, you're absolutely right, but what I was implying was that any agreed fare was below clock.

I sometimes agree a fixed fare that I'm not quite sure about in terms of what it would show on the meter, but which I think is reasonable. However, I'll tell the punters that the meter will be engaged because I can't charge them more than is on the meter, assuming our agreed fare turns out to be above the metered rate.

Of course, in practice there will be agreed fares for in-area runs where the meter isn't engaged, so even if the agreed rate is below clock, strictly speaking the meter should be engaged. And no doubt some agreed runs without the meter engaged will be illegally high, either because the driver knows the fare is illegal but takes a chance, or because the driver has misjudged what it would clock and therefore the illegality is inadvertent.

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