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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:15 pm 
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More Newcastle CAZ anomalies, this time for cross-border cars :?


'We are getting no help at all': South Tyneside taxi drivers' anger over Newcastle Clean Air Zone

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/no ... s-26386499

Taxi drivers outside of Newcastle, Gateshead, and North Tyneside are not eligible for support to help with the cost of Clean Air Zone tolls or to upgrade to cleaner vehicles

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Taxi drivers in South Tyneside have complained that they “can’t afford” to journey into Newcastle after being excluded from financial help from the new Clean Air Zone (CAZ).

The new city centre charging zone has been in operation for more than a month, putting tolls on some high-polluting vehicles in a bid to slash illegal levels of emissions. Older taxis that do not meet the CAZ’s environmental standards face daily £12.50 fees to come into or through Newcastle city centre.

But while drivers licensed in Newcastle, Gateshead, and North Tyneside have been offered the chance to apply for grants to help upgrade to a cleaner vehicle and to get a discounted £50-a-week charge instead, there is no such support for taxi companies outside those three areas. That has become a major source of frustration for drivers in places like South Shields, Jarrow, and Hebburn, who are finding it far more costly to take passengers into the city.

Del Thoburn, owner of South Shields-based Del’s Taxis, said: “We are getting no help at all and I am taking the hit because I don’t want to pass the cost on to the customers. I used to have six big buses but now I have gone down to just two and this is one of the reasons. There is no help with the CAZ if you don’t live in Newcastle, Gateshead, or North Tyneside. We should be treated the same as them.”

Council bosses in charge of the CAZ say they only have “limited” funding from the Government and have had to target the financial support at people likely to be most heavily affected by the new restrictions – but have not ruled out widening their offers to other areas in future.

After concerns about the impact on South Tyneside were raised at the North East Joint Transport Committee last week, a spokesperson for South Tyneside Taxis Ltd told the Local Democracy Reporting Service: “We have drivers here who don’t want to take a job in Newcastle now. They can’t afford to pay the £12.50 and you can’t charge the customer for it because, at the end of the day, they just won’t want to go to Newcastle if it costs them £12.50 extra.

“If you’re picking them up around midnight, it can be £25 extra because it goes over two days. To me, it is all wrong and it is going to have an impact on the centre of Newcastle. The other boroughs are getting help, but we aren’t.”

A spokesperson for the Newcastle and Gateshead Clean Air Zone said: “The funding for financial support for those affected by Clean Air Zone charges is provided by government and it is limited. We are therefore targeting this funding towards those who are more likely to be affected – in particular those who have no choice but to operate within the zone and those who are more likely to make regular journeys into the zone.

“This is aimed at ensuring support is given to those who need it most but, once these applications have been dealt with and subject to funding availability, we will look at inviting grant applications from other areas.”

The introduction of the CAZ, which has been in the works for years, means that drivers of older buses, taxis, lorries, and coaches that do not meet certain environmental standards must pay daily tolls of either £50 or £12.50 to come into or through the city centre. There are also £12.50 charges planned for older vans from this July, but all private cars are exempt.

The charging zone has been imposed in response to a Government order to cut emissions levels in certain hotspots, with poor air quality having been linked to more than 300 deaths on Tyneside every year.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:16 pm 
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A spokesperson for the Newcastle and Gateshead Clean Air Zone said: “The funding for financial support for those affected by Clean Air Zone charges is provided by government and it is limited. We are therefore targeting this funding towards those who are more likely to be affected – in particular those who have no choice but to operate within the zone and those who are more likely to make regular journeys into the zone.

But if you're running a taxi close to the zone then you effectively have 'no choice' but to operate within the zone. The charge is the same whether you do one job to there per day, or if you're more or less permanently in the zone, surely?

It's like saying the Glasgow LEZ zone (say) only covers the central area so you can continue to run your old vehicle but, realistically, if you're running a taxi there you can't avoid the LEZ.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:58 pm 
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They can’t afford to pay the £12.50 and you can’t charge the customer for it because, at the end of the day, they just won’t want to go to Newcastle if it costs them £12.50 extra.

Either the punter pays the charge, or the driver does.

If the punter wants to go into the CAZ then they will have to pay or get the bus.

What is exactly hard in that to fathom out?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:39 pm 
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why should they receive help they are not licensed by Newcastle city council !

Either add to the fare or just don't do jobs "into toon"

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:44 pm 
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Good to see you chaps are so relaxed about drivers missing out on runs because of the CAZ :roll:


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:23 pm 
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StuartW wrote:
Good to see you chaps are so relaxed about drivers missing out on runs because of the CAZ :roll:



the customer would have to pay it if they drove themselves so why shouldn't they also pay to be driven there ?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:01 pm 
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Good to see you chaps are so relaxed about drivers missing out on runs because of the CAZ :roll:

But the decision has been made, if the trade in that manor was really concerned they should have been banging on about it during the consultation period, not the implementation period.

Of course they could update their motors and the problem goes.

Diesels from 2015 and petrols from 2004 (I think) will all be compliant.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:05 pm 
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I just dont get why people havent been out on the streets across the country protesting about these new taxes.
The British people have become very weak and willing in the past couple of generations .


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