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| Author: | Sussex [ Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Northampton taxi drivers fight 'discriminatory' rules |
Northampton taxi drivers fight 'discriminatory' rules ![]() Taxi drivers have been protesting outside council offices against proposed new regulations. They say the new rules, which are being discussed at a meeting on Tuesday evening, will discriminate against "migrant and minority workers". They include a penalty points system and a requirement for good conduct certificates from foreign authorities. West Northamptonshire Council (WNC) said the measures would improve standards and increase public safety. The updated policy for Hackney Carriage and private hire drivers was proposed last year and the council consulted local drivers and operators. It provoked a strong response from the industry, but drivers say a promise to make changes was broken with the draft rules largely untouched. One of the most controversial proposals is a system of penalty points that would be imposed for infringements of the rules, including: Failure to comply with the driver dress code Failure to offer reasonable assistance with luggage Failure to notify lost property to the police within 48 hours Shafqat Shah, who chairs the local branch of the App Drivers and Couriers Union (ADCU), said: "If I'm parked on a yellow line with passengers, I could actually get points for that. Where am I supposed to drop those passengers if they are disabled or anything like that? "This is one of most stringent policies that they're doing in the UK. If it gets through in Northampton, then it's going to happen everywhere else." Concern has also been raised in some of the consultation responses about the requirement for foreign nationals not continuously resident in the UK for more than five years to produce a certificate of good conduct authenticated by each country they have lived in. ACDU said this rule was "a racist and xenophobic policy that unfairly singles out migrant workers". WNC indicated that it would not comment before the meeting but previously said that "a huge amount of work has gone into devising an approach which levels the playing field for drivers and operators across West Northamptonshire". |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Northampton taxi drivers fight 'discriminatory' rules |
Quote: Failure to comply with the driver dress code Failure to offer reasonable assistance with luggage Failure to notify lost property to the police within 48 hours Struggling to see how the above matters are discriminatory.
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| Author: | youbeenbusy [ Wed Oct 04, 2023 6:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Northampton taxi drivers fight 'discriminatory' rules |
Seems like they dont want oversea drivers to go through the background checks . Why would you be against that ? |
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| Author: | StuartW [ Wed Oct 04, 2023 8:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Northampton taxi drivers fight 'discriminatory' rules |
Sussex and YBB, I'd guess the 'racism and xenophobia' cries are particularly about needing a certificate of good conduct from any country drivers have been in for more than 90 days. I suppose that could be quite onerous for some. But not sure if it's just for new applicants or whether it will apply retrospectively. I suspect it's just for new drivers, which begs the question why current drivers would be so worked up about it. But, you know... The BBC piece above concentrates on specific examples of the points scheme, and to that extent it's hardly racist or discriminatory. This piece below in the local press looks at the wider picture. I suspect they're also saying that because most drivers are people of colour (or whatever the current vogue description is - I think Black and Minority Ethnic is deemed unacceptable these days ) then to that extent any more onerous rules are racist or xenophobic, or whatever.Don't know how politicians or councillors will see this kind of thing, but I'd guess it'll just make the public switch off. Maybe if the protests and claims were a bit more measured then the public would think them more credible. But, I mean, the council intend monitoring drivers' stuff posted to social media? They'd have a field day on this forum And have a look at the photos on here - I've highlighted before how many articles these days feature a slew of very similar photos, but this one probably takes the biscuit - there's 14 of them in total Angry taxi drivers take to Northampton town centre to protest against council's controversial new rules https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news ... es-4358424 Around 100 drivers protested in town today – here’s why Around 100 angry taxi drivers protested in Northampton town centre this morning against a controversial new set of taxi and private hire rules drafted by the council. The App Drivers and Couriers Union (ACDU) has criticised WNC’s Draft Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Policy 2023, which is set to be voted on tonight by West Northants Council. The ACDU has strongly condemned what they describe as "reactionary, racist, and regressive" regulations. WNC said it will be issuing a statement following the meeting tonight. In a last ditch attempt to get the council to listen, taxi drivers who are members of the ACDU met at Victoria Car Park at 11am and marched down the Drapery and protested at the steps of The Guildhall today. Many held signs saying, ‘Shame on West Northamptonshire Council’, ‘Stop Discriminatory Policies for Drivers’, and ‘Stop Racist Policies’. The ACDU say that despite months of consultations and multiple in-person meetings, the council has ignored the substantial feedback provided by the ACDU and drivers. The union’s chief concerns with the policy are as follows: - Demands by the council that licensed drivers must secure a ‘certificate of good conduct’ from every country they may have lived for more than 90 days since the age of 18. - An arbitrary penalty points system that turns risk and compliance management into a numbers game but does nothing to raise standards. - A harsh convictions policy. Drivers convicted for holding a mobile phone, a DVLA 6-point offence, can now lose their private hire license for five years. - The council warns they will monitor the activity of licensed drivers on social media in their private time and consider this in licensing decisions. This is an Article 8 human rights violation in that licensees are guaranteed the right to a private life. - The council is demanding higher standards from private hire drivers than the elected councillors demand of themselves in their own code of conduct. - The council has failed to conduct a proper equalities impact assessment. Shafqat Shah, Chair of ACDU Northampton said: "I am bitterly disappointed that the council has chosen to disregard the considered feedback of our union’s members working in the Northampton area trade. The council seem determined to miss a golden opportunity to introduce regulations that could raise service standards, improve safety and raise the living standards of local licensees long exploited in the trade. Instead, the council has indulged in populism to dream up an elaborately punitive and racist policy that will ultimately fail to deliver on its objectives for the public while rewarding big business.” Speaking to Chron and Echo, Mr Shah added: “A lot of drivers are worried about this. There will be so many chances where a driver could lose his licence. We have a system in Northampton at the moment… it may need a bit of tweaking but we can do that together. We are very important. "The council wants us to sell Northampton… they want us to be ambassadors for the town. We’re not going to be ambassadors at this rate if we’re going to be worried about losing our licences. "Licensing are doing things on their own and not consulting us.” Mr Shah hinted that there could be strikes in the near future depending upon the result tonight. |
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| Author: | StuartW [ Wed Oct 04, 2023 8:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Northampton taxi drivers fight 'discriminatory' rules |
Anyway, looks like it's been kicked into the long grass, for another wee while at least... Northampton taxi rules council meeting adjourned https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-n ... e-67005634 Controversial new rules for taxi drivers have been put on hold after councillors failed to decide on them. |
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| Author: | StuartW [ Sat Oct 07, 2023 2:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Northampton taxi drivers fight 'discriminatory' rules |
Bit of rehash here, and to a degree it's same old, same old. But seems there was a bit of a kick off about a 'racist trope' at the meeting Seems it was all about using a practical example to illustrate the different standard of proof used for licensing decisions as compared to criminal prosecutions. So an interesting enough point, but it all got lost in the racism row West Northamptonshire Council accused of 'racist presentation' says taxi drivers union https://www.northantslive.news/news/nor ... st-8810571 The union has accused council staff of "resorting to offensive racist tropes" West Northamptonshire Council has been accused of trying to enforce "racist" and "regressive" regulations, says a union of taxi drivers. Members of the App Drivers and Couriers Union (ADCU) took to the Guildhall in Northampton and protested against the proposed regulations on Tuesday, October 2, ahead of discussion at a West Northants Council meeting. The union has accused council staff of "resorting to offensive racist tropes" during the meeting when an official allegedly referenced a hypothetical scenario of where a rape victim might be "spirited away to Pakistan" so that she might be prevented from giving evidence. In a statement, they said: "Council authorities choose to resort to racist tropes of sexual violence undertaken by Pakistani men in order to frighten and intimidate. Such tropes serve to demonise and stigmatise an already marginalised community who work in the trade." The drivers also take issue with the regulation proposals, which include a penalty points system that drivers could breach through failure to comply with the dress code, or for not offering reasonable assistance with luggage, among other measures. Another regulation that has provoked concern from the union is the demand for a "certificate of good conduct" from every country they may have lived for more than 90 days since the age of 18. The ADCU has called this "arbitrary and racist". West Northamptonshire Council (WNC) say the regulations have been "designed with public safety in mind". The updated policy for Hackney Carriage and private hire drivers was proposed last year and the council consulted local drivers and operators. The decision on the policy was deferred by WNC to give members more time to consider consultation responses and make amendments to the draft policy. Shafqat Shah, chair of ADCU Northampton, said: "I am grateful for the common sense exercised by the licensing committee in their decision to defer any vote on the regulations." A spokesperson for WNC said: “During the meeting, one of our officers was asked if it was possible that information from police could be considered even when an applicant has not been convicted of an offence. “In response, and in order to confirm that it was a possibility for this information to be considered where there is no conviction, the officer referenced a case they had been party to from a previous authority in which this had happened. "In doing so, they explained that a prosecution had not been possible because a witness was no longer available. We held a lengthy consultation and everyone’s views have been captured and presented back to the licensing committee. Committee members requested more time to consider the consultation responses.” The council has not yet revealed when the final decision on the policy will be made. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Northampton taxi drivers fight 'discriminatory' rules |
D-Day tomorrow. Northampton taxi drivers to protest over 'unfair' rules in new council policy ![]() Taxi drivers will take to the streets of Northampton on Tuesday (January 9) to protest new regulations to the trade proposed by West Northamptonshire Council (WNC). They claim the rules are too extreme and pose a risk to the livelihoods of many drivers. A council committee will reconvene to decide whether they will approve the taxi and private hire draft policy after the initial meeting to make a decision on the new rules was deferred in October last year. The council says the key aim of the policy is to "ensure that drivers and vehicles meet high standards in protecting the public and providing a quality service". One of the proposals that has been highly contended by the App Drivers and Couriers Union (ADCU), but remains unchanged by the council, is a penalty points system designed to record misdemeanours and infringements of the rules. Where a complaint is made from the public an investigation will then determine whether any action is taken and if points are imposed. If a driver has accrued more than 12 penalty points over 12 months their licence may be revoked or suspended with immediate effect. Some of the offences include: A driver allowing noise from radio or other equipment to be a "nuisance or annoyance" to passengers - two points Failure to comply with the driver dress code - two points Failure to attend a booking on time without sufficient cause - two points Failure to carry or ensure safety of passenger luggage - four points Shafqat Shah, Northampton chair of the ADCU, said: "As drivers, we’re unfairly targeted. The abuse we have to go through on any day on our shift you would not believe. "If a driver turns up late to a booking, technically he could get points for that. It’s not the driver's fault if the road is closed. It's not the driver's fault if a job is dispatched late. It’s not the driver's fault if there’s too much traffic. Is that really fair? "All those points will add up and then we can get suspended for that. The reality is that even the best of drivers for a second lose their cool and could make a mistake and they will get points." The council wrote in the updated document that the system is seen as "an open and transparent way of dealing with breaches of policy" and that "each case will be dealt with on its own merit". A policy that has been changed since the last meeting is the "certificate of good conduct". All drivers must provide documents from every country they have lived in for more than six months since the age of 18- amended from an initial request of countries resided in for over three months. Mr Shah said: "We can’t be held to ransom by the council. They put a document in front of us and said you need to accept that. "We want to work with the council. We do believe that there should be an up to date policy regarding our industry but I think they’ve gone well above what the government guidelines are. "Where is any kind of protection in this policy that actually relates to the poor driver doing this job? Drivers are very angry- at the end of the day, it’s our livelihoods we need to protect." He has warned that drivers will be forced to hold strikes if the draft policy is given the green light and has said that he foresees a lot of drivers leaving the industry if nothing is changed. Councillor David Smith, cabinet member for community safety, said: "We’ve considered all views, including those of the trade and unions, in compiling what we believe is a robust policy which will help to ensure passengers are appropriately protected and the high quality of service maintained. “We’re conscious that some members of the trade are unhappy with elements of the policy, and we acknowledge this, though public safety must remain our primary concern. “Those drivers who operate a safe and well-maintained vehicle, keep a high standard of cleanliness, do not drive in a reckless fashion, so providing a positive experience for passengers will see no difference." If approved, the policy will be a living document and will be under constant review to ensure it remains fit for purpose. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Northampton taxi drivers fight 'discriminatory' rules |
Council approves new rules. https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news ... on-4473172 |
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| Author: | edders23 [ Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Northampton taxi drivers fight 'discriminatory' rules |
Sussex wrote: oh what a surprise the council had no intention of listening to the drivers |
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| Author: | youbeenbusy [ Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Northampton taxi drivers fight 'discriminatory' rules |
What part of that is racist ? Did they deliberatly use the word racist to try and scare the council into submission and drop their proposals . |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Thu Jan 11, 2024 8:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Northampton taxi drivers fight 'discriminatory' rules |
edders23 wrote: Sussex wrote: oh what a surprise the council had no intention of listening to the drivers It always pays to listen to drivers, but sometimes it pays to ignore those views. This case being one of those times to ignore. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Thu Jan 11, 2024 8:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Northampton taxi drivers fight 'discriminatory' rules |
youbeenbusy wrote: What part of that is racist ? Did they deliberatly use the word racist to try and scare the council into submission and drop their proposals . It would appear they did.
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| Author: | roythebus [ Thu Jan 11, 2024 11:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Northampton taxi drivers fight 'discriminatory' rules |
Maybe the drivers ought to make themselves aware of the reasons they CAN stop on yellow lines to set down and pick up passengers: Shafqat Shah, who chairs the local branch of the App Drivers and Couriers Union (ADCU), said: "If I'm parked on a yellow line with passengers, I could actually get points for that. Where am I supposed to drop those passengers if they are disabled or anything like that? |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Northampton taxi drivers fight 'discriminatory' rules |
It's often the case, but not always, that folks who accuse others of being racist are doing so because they have nothing else to argue. It looks like this is the case on this occasion.
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