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Author:  Sussex [ Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Taxi driver ordered to remove Cross of St George from cab

Taxi driver ordered to remove Cross of St George from vehicle

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Market Drayton taxi driver John Brockhurst of Basil’s Taxi has been asked to remove the cross of St George symbol from his hackney carriage because it does not comply with Shropshire Council’s rules around advertising.

Mr Brockhurst has used the vehicle for 4 years and says “The symbols were put on my car to make it stand out. I’m a proud Englishman who has served over 40 years in the military. I have served Queen and country prior to starting my own business. I am supported by the local people, most of whom know me as an ex soldier which is why i wanted to display the flag”.

Shropshire Council say the vehicle is not compliant with the requirement that advertisements on Hackney Carriage vehicles must not include any political symbols, flags or emblems.

Mr Brockhurst says he plans to appeal the decision, but has obliged with the request to remove the symbols.

Councillor Chris Schofield, Shropshire Council’s Cabinet member for planning and regulatory services said:

“Mr Brockhurst presented his hackney carriage for a routine compliance check when it was noted that his vehicle was displaying England flags on the nearside and offside rear windows and a Union Jack on the bonnet.

“The display of the flags on Mr Brockhurst’s vehicle was reviewed against Shropshire Council’s Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Licensing Policy 2023-2027 and it was found that his vehicle was not compliant with the policy, which clearly states that advertisements on hackney carriage vehicles must not include any political symbols, flags, or emblems.

“Following advice from the Council’s licensing team, Mr Brockhurst acted promptly to remove the flags and the Council is now satisfied that Mr Brockhurst’s vehicle is complaint with the relevant policy requirements.

“If Mr Brockhurst wishes to appeal the Council’s decision, he can do so, and this will be determined in accordance with normal licensing procedures.”

Author:  Sussex [ Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:30 pm ]
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I understand and applaud his patriotism, but it's a licensed vehicle, not a toy.

Where would it end? Would it be good if every driver put signs up indicating their religion, or maybe their sexuality, or maybe their political belief, or maybe all three?

The answer is no, cabs are a mode of travel from A to B, they are not an extension of our beliefs.

Author:  Chris the Fish [ Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:31 pm ]
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Hope there are no Council emblems on his plate then.

Author:  edders23 [ Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:22 pm ]
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It was interesting to note that you tube remove the cross of St george from any videos made by uk content makers.

it seems the world thinks it's some kind of subversive simbol

Author:  bloodnock [ Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:08 pm ]
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edders23 wrote:
It was interesting to note that you tube remove the cross of St george from any videos made by uk content makers.

it seems the world thinks it's some kind of subversive simbol


Yet theyre quite happy to show any any other flags from truly subversive states and groups.

Author:  roythebus [ Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:49 pm ]
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Wasn't St.George a Turk anyway? Why would an Englishman want to display a Turkish flag?

Author:  StuartW [ Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:40 pm ]
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Looks like he's lost his appeal, but a local MP is going into bat for him. Doubt that'll help, somehow, and this piece is a tad long-winded :?


Taxi driver loses appeal to display Cross of St George - MP calls for change in flag policy

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/loc ... -flag-ban/

A taxi driver banned by a council from displaying a flag of the Cross of St George on his vehicle has lost his appeal – and his MP is now calling for councillors to change their rules.

John Brockhurst, a taxi driver and military veteran from near Market Drayton, was told to remove the flag, along with a Union Jack and regimental logo, from his hackney carriage back in October.

The decision, from Shropshire Council, was because the authority said it did not comply with the advertising policy that hackney carriages must not feature any "symbols, flags or emblems".

It has now emerged that Mr Brockhurst, who runs Basil's Taxi, has lost an appeal against the decision.

North Shropshire MP Helen Morgan said she has now written to Shropshire Councillors asking them to change rules which ban the display of national flags – including the St George’s Cross and Union Jack – in taxis across the county.

The MP has pointed out that the council's own policy says the Union Jack should be flown "on a daily basis unless otherwise directed" at council buildings.

In her letter to Shropshire Council Mrs Morgan says: "I am writing about Shropshire Councils’ flag flying policy which has impacted constituent and veteran, John ‘Basil’ Brockhurst, who runs 'Basil's Taxi' in Market Drayton.

"Basil prided himself on displaying the St George's Cross and the Union Flag on his taxi to pay tribute to the regiment and country he served for 40 years.

"He also used the flags to mark out his taxi among others, so that customers could spot him easily.

"Unfortunately, under the latest policy for carriage and private hire vehicles, the council have contacted John to ask him to remove the flags because they no longer comply with the policy which now prevents drivers from displaying any advertisements which include political symbols, flags, or emblems.

"I have recently been informed that Basil has lost his appeal with Shropshire Council.

"I am sure that you will agree that a Union Jack and regimental flag cannot be considered political statements, not least because Shropshire Council itself rightly flies the Union Jack in front of all council buildings.

"The council’s own flag-flying policy rules that the Union Jack should be “flown on a daily basis unless otherwise directed” on these buildings.

"I am writing today because I strongly feel that this policy should be changed and this wrong put right. As members of Shropshire Council it is within your power to ensure that this happens."

Author:  StuartW [ Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:43 pm ]
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High-res photo here suggests he's got a set of 3D daftie number plates :-o

Nothing like drawing attention to yourself =;

Think I've changed my opinion on stuff like that over the years - maybe it's because our town is a bit of a goldfish bowl, but I tend to think it's maybe better to blend in than stand out 8-[

(Wouldn't normally display photos of this size directly on the forum, but it's no wider than Sussex's at the top of the thread...)

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Author:  Sussex [ Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:16 pm ]
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Does flying a flag on your cab make you more patriotic than someone who doesn't?

Taxis and PH are for driving folks from A to B, they are not vehicles to promote one's views.

Author:  StuartW [ Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:21 pm ]
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Well this is interesting, and read the highlighted stuff in particular...


Taxi flag ban could be overturned - councillor

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy021y8rgv2o

A senior councillor has said it is likely that a ban on minicabs displaying national flags will be dropped.

The deputy leader of Shropshire Council, Ian Nellins, is proposing changes after one of his constituents was told to remove the union jack and flag of St George from his car.


John "Basil" Brockhurst, from Market Drayton, was told he was breaking new rules when he renewed his licence for the year.

Mr Nellins said the rules were part of a 200-page policy, external consulted on and approved by an all-party licensing committee last year.

He now hopes changes to the policy will go to the council's cabinet before the end of the year.


Mr Brockhurst, an army veteran who runs Basil's Taxi, said the flags made his car stand out.

"If I'm at an airport or station, or you're on a night out in Shrewsbury, I can say 'it's a blue car with a cross of St George on the back'," he said.

He told BBC Radio Shropshire the issue arose when he attended his yearly inspection for licence renewal.

"They gave me a piece of paper with 'appendix L, sub-paragraph O' about the flags and symbols, and that's where it stemmed from," he explained.

Mr Nellins said that the policy was not given enough scrutiny before being approved.

"I think... they didn't look at the fine detail of what this included and it didn't raise its head," he said.
'Very patriotic'

Mr Brockhurst publicised his concerns and won support from North Shropshire MP Helen Morgan for a change.

Mr Nellins said he also backed the driver, and had gone straight to the council leader and directors to propose a change "instead of jumping up and down on social media".

He said he expected the change to go before the council's cabinet in December.

"The people of Market Drayton are very patriotic, and they would like to see the ability to fly a national flag. It shouldn't be offensive to anybody," Mr Nellins added.

Author:  StuartW [ Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:22 pm ]
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...However, back at the beginning of the month, an article in another source said:

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Councillor Ian Nellins said: "For a number of inflammatory reasons unfortunately things are taken the wrong way. Taxis are licensed, they're a licensed facility, and we have to have some rules to keep it neutral."

Which sounds very like Sussex's point, and quite unlike what the councillor is saying today :-o

So will be interesting to see whether and how they manage to square the circle. And how they manage to allow such stuff on vehicles without opening a can of worms.

But looking at the vehicle in the video (below) and the before and after stuff, sort of thing, then in view of the markings and signage the driver still seems to be allowed to have on his car, there must be quite a fine dividing line 8-[

Author:  StuartW [ Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:24 pm ]
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Incidentally, there's a three-minute ITV News report on the issue, although it's a few weeks old thus doesn't include the latest developments:

https://www.itv.com/news/central/2023-1 ... on-his-cab

By the way, once you see the councillor who's now changed his mind in the video, then his 'about turn' (see what I did there?) will hardly come as a surprise. In fact amazing that he ever criticised the flags in the first place :-o

Author:  StuartW [ Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:25 pm ]
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Incidentally, there are references to 'private hire' regulations and 'minicabs' here and there, but presumably that's just incorrect terminology, and doesn't affect the substantive issues, and it's defo an HC. One article specifically refers to hackney carriage policy.

And, I mean, if the reporters were on the ball, if it was a PHV then they'd ask him about the TAXI sign, and the likes of this in terms of plying for hire:

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"Having served Queen and country for 40 years, [the flags] were personal to me, and also being the only vehicle of mine, and I'm the only driver, it stands out. People who are stranded at airports, or outside a nightclub - they know it's me who's turning up."

Although, to be fair, maybe minutiae like that shouldn't be expected from mainstream journalists :lol:

Author:  Sussex [ Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:23 pm ]
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Ban on taxis displaying Union Flag set to be dropped despite 'nationalist sentiments' fears

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/loc ... nion-flag/

Shropshire Council looks set to drop its ban on taxis displaying the Union Flag – although a report warns the move may put some people off using the vehicles because of concerns about "nationalist and right-wing sentiments".

Last year the council ordered Market Drayton taxi driver, John 'Basil' Brockhurst, to remove a flag of the Cross of St George from his vehicle.

Mr Brockhurst subsequently lost an appeal against the decision.

The military veteran said the cross was of personal significance, having fought for his country in both Northern Ireland and Iraq.

The council faced heavy criticism for the decision, with its own deputy leader, Councillor Ian Nellins, proposing changes.

Now the council has said recommendations to change the rules will be discussed by its strategic licensing committee on January 11.

The committee will be asked to debate whether the 'Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Licensing Policy 2023-2027 should be changed to permit the display of the Union Flag on taxis (hackney carriages) and private hire vehicles and for the purposes of promoting any private hire operator business or any business offering taxi or private hire vehicle services'.

Councillor Roy Aldcroft, chair of the Strategic Licensing Committee, said: “We want to ensure that the public and the trade are aware that the Strategic Licensing Committee is due to consider the conditions under which it may be acceptable to display and use the Union Flag.

"If approved, a change will be made to the council’s current position, as was previously agreed by cabinet in November 2022, and set out in the Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Licensing Policy 2023 – 2027.

“The overriding priority for the committee is that we ensure the safety and welfare of the public. However, we understand that there are some concerns about the council’s current position and for that reason we will be debating the issue at our meeting on January 11.”

A report prepared for the committee states: "The current prohibition on the use of all flags may be considered a disproportionate regulatory requirement on hackney carriage and private hire vehicle proprietors and on private hire operators."

The report says that the changes would only allow one flag – the Union Flag of the United Kingdom - to be displayed.

It states: "Whilst it may appear more reasonable to permit the display/use of any flag, it is considered proportionate to permit the display of only the national flag of the United Kingdom, the Union Flag; no other flags or emblems will be allowed.

"The display of the Union Flag will not be mandatory; it will be for each hackney carriage and private hire vehicle proprietor and private hire operator to determine whether to display the flag on their vehicle or in any advertising/promotion of their business.

"However, if the Union Flag is displayed on a vehicle, it will be restricted to one and subject to positioning and dimension specifications for the purposes of ensuring public safety."

But the report also raises concerns over the planned change and that the flag could lead to some being concerned for their safety.

It states: "Despite the proposed restrictions on the display of the Union Flag, it should also be acknowledged that potential passengers may be concerned for their own safety should they find that a hackney carriage or private hire vehicle they intend to hire is displaying the Union Flag.

"This is due to its known appropriation by those with nationalist and right-wing sentiments.

"It may also lead to an economic impact in that passengers may decide to cancel their original booking and look to find a different driver/vehicle to fulfil their transport needs.

"Given the hackney carriage and private hire trade already face an ongoing challenge to fulfil demand, (which is a national, as well as a local problem), there is a risk that passengers may be unable to readily secure a replacement driver/vehicle at short notice.

"This may increase safeguarding risks and adversely impact public safety if, for example, passengers are vulnerable through inebriation or unable to attend medical appointments.

"In addition, the economic impact may extend beyond individual drivers into the wider local economy if, for example, passengers are unable to reach their destinations to shop or access leisure and hospitality services."

The report adds: "There is also potential for families and households who have settled in Shropshire, as a consequence of their refugee status, to feel alienated rather than welcomed."

The committee will meet to discuss the issue at Shirehall at 10am on January 11.

Anyone wishing to submit a public question in relation to the matter must do so in no more than 250 words to Shropshire Council no later than 5pm on January 5.

Author:  Sussex [ Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:24 pm ]
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What a load of old fanny? [-(

Just let officers decide on an individual basis, and as for only allowing one flag, a recipe for disaster. #-o

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