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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:08 pm 
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Dozens of press articles, committee meetings, legal advice, blah, blah.

And a similar amount of threads and posts on here all saying the same thing, basically [-(


Gatwick taxi drivers' Uber complaint closed by Crawley Borough Council

https://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/news/po ... il-5043045

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A complaint from Gatwick taxi drivers that Uber has been operating from the airport in breach of licensing laws has been closed by Crawley Borough Council

Over the past few years, drivers for Airport Cars Gatwick have reported that Uber cars registered in London were taking around half of the fares at the airport, ‘destroying the livelihoods’ of the local drivers.

Backed by Unite the Union, drivers also claimed that the company was using its app as a ‘virtual rank’ and was also operating out of Crawley.

After investigating the matter, the council took legal advice, the outcome of which was presented during a meeting of the licensing committee on Tuesday (March 18).

The council was told that the claim that Uber was essentially touting for business at the airport ‘lacks any legal substance’.

In his advice, Philip Kolvin KC said he could find ‘no wrongdoing’ in Uber drivers being sent to airport car parks to wait for their bookings, as this showed the firm was ‘organising its vehicles in an orderly manner rather than allowing them to proliferate in local roads’.

Similar concerns about signage around the airport directing people to Uber-marked bays in the pick-up area were also dismissed.

Mr Kolvin’s report added that Uber was not operating in Crawley and there was ‘nil chance of securing a conviction against Uber for doing so’.

That finding did not sit well with the drivers – especially as one councillor had arrived at a previous committee meeting in an Uber.

Nick Venes, a licensed driver and Unite representative, said: “To turn round and say that they do not operate in Crawley…I think I must be living in cuckoo land.

“We know they operate – we see them every day.”

Committee members were not too happy with the outcome of the investigations, though their hands were tied by the legal advice.

Leader Michael Jones said: “It is most certainly a case where legislation has not kept up with technology.”

He added: “We regretfully end up in a position where the legal advice is almost completely unequivocal. There is no prospect of successful challenging these activities.

“It would require a change in legislation to prevent what is happening, and that is not something this council has any power over. This must be taken up with those in Parliament.”

His views were shared by Conservative leader Duncan Crow, who said there was ‘a chasm between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law’.

Some councillors suggested that the only route left open to the drivers was to complain to the Local Government & Social Care Ombudsman. But given that the council was following legal advice, would the Ombudsman even investigate the case?

Committee chair Imran Ashraf said the council would continue to write to Ministers and Transport for London about the concerns – though no response to previous letters had been received.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:09 pm 
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Mr Kolvin’s report added that Uber was not operating in Crawley and there was ‘nil chance of securing a conviction against Uber for doing so’.

That finding did not sit well with the drivers – especially as one councillor had arrived at a previous committee meeting in an Uber.

Nick Venes, a licensed driver and Unite representative, said: “To turn round and say that they do not operate in Crawley…I think I must be living in cuckoo land.

“We know they operate – we see them every day.”

Er, I'd guess the KC means 'operate' in the legal sense, as opposed to simply working in Crawley :roll:

I mean, months and months of huffing and puffing, marching up the hill and down again, and legal advice, and the Unite rep still doesn't know the very basics of the law.


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and the Unite rep still doesn't know the very basics of the law.



If trade union reps did we wouldn't get so many stories to comment on. #-o

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 9:32 pm 
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In his advice, Philip Kolvin KC said he could find ‘no wrongdoing’ in Uber drivers being sent to airport car parks to wait for their bookings, as this showed the firm was ‘organising its vehicles in an orderly manner rather than allowing them to proliferate in local roads’.

Is this the same Philip Kolvin KC who has represented Uber in numerous courtrooms? :-$

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Committee members were not too happy with the outcome of the investigations, though their hands were tied by the legal advice.

Since when has that ever stopped councillors from making daft decisions?

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Committee chair Imran Ashraf said the council would continue to write to Ministers and Transport for London about the concerns – though no response to previous letters had been received.

And that ladies and gentlemen succinctly sums up where we are in March 2025. :sad:

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