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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:16 pm 
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edders23 wrote:
seriously though this strike is about the refineries controlling their costs to keep the price to the consumer down why should we all pay an extra 1 to 2p a litre on our fuel to ensure the terms and conditions of a priviledged few. Elsewhere in the economy workers in many other industries are having to accept pay freezes and end to final salary pensions and many other rights we are now paying the penalty for aspiring to too high a standard of living compared to our competitors.

At the end of the day Britain needs jobs and a stable economy that means ditching greed and developing a culture of invention, entrepreneurial spirit and graft or we run the danger of becoming a 3rd world country the tanker drivers are probably losing much less than many public sector workers have why should one group of workers be protected from the changes which are having to happen today


Did you just make all that up all on your own!!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:21 pm 
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Doom wrote:
I can see both sides of this.


1 - they earn good wages so why strike

2 - the job is being erroded by rule bending

If nobody says anything, eventually the tanker driver ends up being on min wage for driving a bomb, ask the bin men how their job went from being a well paid one to complete minimum money once the contracts got handed out to private companies, so I don't think the 45k pa wage is the issue, it's about making sure everything stays relative.


Agreed. These guys see it as the thin edge of the wedge.
And they may well be right.

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edders23 wrote:
why should we all pay an extra 1 to 2p a litre on our fuel to ensure the terms and conditions of a priviledged few.


Why should we pay 3p +VAT extra, while those who earn the most get a 5p tax cut?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:28 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
Doom wrote:
I can see both sides of this.


1 - they earn good wages so why strike

2 - the job is being erroded by rule bending

If nobody says anything, eventually the tanker driver ends up being on min wage for driving a bomb, ask the bin men how their job went from being a well paid one to complete minimum money once the contracts got handed out to private companies, so I don't think the 45k pa wage is the issue, it's about making sure everything stays relative.


Agreed. These guys see it as the thin edge of the wedge.
And they may well be right.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:35 pm 
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Thats the problem in todays Britain...once certain union backed groups of employees become that unions weapon of choice they start thinking they are Invincible and indispensable...Infact they are neither but our government is to soft to sack the tw*ts and so lets them go on buggering up the country for the rest of us in pursuit of their own selfless greed.

Once these People get on to a wage level that is probably double what they are actually worth they become legends in their own minds...and of course the union encourages their beliefs that they are indeed superior to the rest of us just to keep their weapon of choice primed and ready to strike.

I say sack them if they strike and in the process put our fragile national recovery at risk and endanger our livelyhoods...its nothing short of treason to hold the country to ransom at times like this.

It would not take much to train any lorry driver to stick Hose "A" on to Nozzle "B" at a filling station...Im sure the filling station staff would keep them right if doubt arose.

Bunch of To**ers.... :roll:


I always thought you were a Thatcherite scumbag.
TF your an endangered species up here.


You Cybernats dont half Talk a lot of Sh*te......... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:45 pm 
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Some on here are sounding just like out and out Conservatives!!

Why shouldn't these guys be on the money that they are, as I am sure that the company that they work for are also making masses of money.

For years, companies up and down the land have been making not just profit, but VULGAR profit. What do we see off of the backs of all of that................Wage reductions/restraint/minimum wage/ and people generally struggling, all except the wealthy bosses.

To my way of thinking is that we need from time to time the conflict of the 1970s (I do not belong to a Trade Union) - Unions not under the thumb of governments, but Unions who can and will fight for the living standards of their members. Sadly too many unions have been bought off by successive governments who keep them sweet with large grants.

Imagine the situation whereby the work force up and down the U.K received wages that were decent.....................WE would also get a decent living - Or have you forgotten that their low wage - is also our LOW wage. I would say, do not be jealous - encourage! because if you do not - a rickshaw awaits you all.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:52 pm 
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bloodnock wrote:
gusmac wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
Thats the problem in todays Britain...once certain union backed groups of employees become that unions weapon of choice they start thinking they are Invincible and indispensable...Infact they are neither but our government is to soft to sack the tw*ts and so lets them go on buggering up the country for the rest of us in pursuit of their own selfless greed.

Once these People get on to a wage level that is probably double what they are actually worth they become legends in their own minds...and of course the union encourages their beliefs that they are indeed superior to the rest of us just to keep their weapon of choice primed and ready to strike.

I say sack them if they strike and in the process put our fragile national recovery at risk and endanger our livelyhoods...its nothing short of treason to hold the country to ransom at times like this.

It would not take much to train any lorry driver to stick Hose "A" on to Nozzle "B" at a filling station...Im sure the filling station staff would keep them right if doubt arose.

Bunch of To**ers.... :roll:


I always thought you were a Thatcherite scumbag.
TF your an endangered species up here.


You Cybernats dont half Talk a lot of Sh*te......... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Thatcherite arsewipe like you should be careful who they accuse of talking sh1te.
Particularly in view of your previous statement.
Thatcher never was one for niceties like the law...unless she wrote it, of course.

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cabby john wrote:
Some on here are sounding just like out and out Conservatives!!

Why shouldn't these guys be on the money that they are, as I am sure that the company that they work for are also making masses of money.

For years, companies up and down the land have been making not just profit, but VULGAR profit. What do we see off of the backs of all of that................Wage reductions/restraint/minimum wage/ and people generally struggling, all except the wealthy bosses.

To my way of thinking is that we need from time to time the conflict of the 1970s (I do not belong to a Trade Union) - Unions not under the thumb of governments, but Unions who can and will fight for the living standards of their members. Sadly too many unions have been bought off by successive governments who keep them sweet with large grants.

Imagine the situation whereby the work force up and down the U.K received wages that were decent.....................WE would also get a decent living - Or have you forgotten that their low wage - is also our LOW wage. I would say, do not be jealous - encourage! because if you do not - a rickshaw awaits you all.


The Unions,ll just feck things up as per Normal...£45K a year their drivers get and your advocating they strike for more whilst you and yours go without due to a bloody Fuel shortage....These guys are so far out front in the Pay Stakes its like a Ferrari over Taking a reliant Robin..

Thats one [edited by admin] poor pro union argument im afraid..Especially from someone who's livelyhood is so tightly bound to the ability to source fuel for their Vehicle. :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:59 pm 
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Thatcherite arsewipe like you should be careful who they accuse of talking sh1te.
Particularly in view of your previous statement.
Thatcher never was one for niceties like the law...unless she wrote it, of course.



Every day a little more Tetchier..... :lol:

Me thinks the Nasties are getting worried... :wink:


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:06 pm 
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Thatcherite arsewipe like you should be careful who they accuse of talking sh1te.
Particularly in view of your previous statement.
Thatcher never was one for niceties like the law...unless she wrote it, of course.



Every day a little more Tetchier..... :lol:

Me thinks the Nasties are getting worried... :wink:


Not worried britnock, just disgusted.
The vast majority of Scots still get the urge to spit when they hear Thatcher's name.

Keep spouting your Thatcherite sh1te.
It worries nobody and just reminds us all why tory MPs are rarer than pandas in Scotland.
And you think you speak for the majority.
The majority would rather eat a sh1te sandwich than vote Tory.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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The vast majority of Scots still get the urge to spit when they hear Thatcher's name.



Only an urge !!!! :shock: She gets the real thing down here :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:48 pm 
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The Unions,ll just feck things up as per Normal...£45K a year their drivers get and your advocating they strike for more whilst you and yours go without due to a bloody Fuel shortage....These guys are so far out front in the Pay Stakes its like a Ferrari over Taking a reliant Robin..



You need to wise up! You/me are getting poorer and poorer - the rich/poor gap is bigger...................and that supposedly is because we are doing it the right way!!!!! - I do not think so.

They may be driving a Ferrari and the best of luck to them, but if you are driving a robin reliant - then that is only because of "Del boy" thinking.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:54 pm 
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Tanker drivers earning £45k threatening to strike - and thus bring the country to a halt - because they're feeling hard done by?

Sack the lot of them...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... chaos.html


So what you're suggesting is that because they have a good salary they don't deserve to keep the terms & conditions they originally agreed to. In effect you suggest that if the salary is good they should be grateful. If the drivers are on £45k what are the managers earning? The union guy is on £100k :shock:

Anyway there's no need to worry because the government have 300 drivers from the army ready to take over from 2000 tanker drivers so we shouldn't see any shortages :roll:

Before I pass any real opinion I'd like to see what the terms & conditions are that they say are being slashed

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Unite claims tanker drivers ‘work in an increasingly fragmented, pressurised industry’ with ‘corners being cut on safety and training in a bid to squeeze profits and win contracts’ and describe it as ‘a clear case of a predatory industry putting its greed before the wider well-being’.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1q7sY8F1i



The 300 Army drivers will just be there to replenish emergency stocks, 300 versus 2000 doesn't add up does it? What's betting they'll be using the army's trucks to deliver this fuel? With the speed they go it'll take them a week to get from Immingham to Nottingham and back again.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:16 pm 
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cabby john wrote:
Some on here are sounding just like out and out Conservatives!!

Why shouldn't these guys be on the money that they are, as I am sure that the company that they work for are also making masses of money.

For years, companies up and down the land have been making not just profit, but VULGAR profit. What do we see off of the backs of all of that................Wage reductions/restraint/minimum wage/ and people generally struggling, all except the wealthy bosses.

To my way of thinking is that we need from time to time the conflict of the 1970s (I do not belong to a Trade Union) - Unions not under the thumb of governments, but Unions who can and will fight for the living standards of their members. Sadly too many unions have been bought off by successive governments who keep them sweet with large grants.

Imagine the situation whereby the work force up and down the U.K received wages that were decent.....................WE would also get a decent living - Or have you forgotten that their low wage - is also our LOW wage. I would say, do not be jealous - encourage! because if you do not - a rickshaw awaits you all.



Ok lets look at it the simple way shall we?

Over the last year or so 90% of the fuel tanker fleet has been taken over by Wincanton Distribution, garages like TOTAL, ESSO, JET, TEXACO all use Wincanton, TOTAL have been known to use Turners from Soham as a back up.

When the drivers were transfered over to Wincanton they went with the T.U.P.E agreement, this agreement protects the workers wages, holidays, sick pay, health insurance etc etc.

Wincanton are well known to detest the T.U.P.E agreement which like I mentioned above protects the employees rights and benefits.

If you were in a PAYE job and earning £40K a year with benefits like sick pay, health insurance, decent holidays and all of a sudden some halfwhit company came along and tried to get round the T.U.P.E agreement and start cutting away at your benefits which you've trained hard for you'd be pretty pissed off like the Tanker drivers are.

It's not all about wages, it's about Wincanton cutting not only the tanker drivers benefits but that of many other Wincanton drivers in food destribution depots across the UK.

If your that pissed off with the tanker drivers training hard and going on courses to transport hazardous chemicals to the forecourts of the petrol stations why don't you go out there and get your class one LGV then apply to go on the hazardous chemicals course? The price of the above will be around the £12K mark, that's if you make it past your LGV class 2 which you've got to pass before you even think about driving a class 1.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:20 pm 
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The Unions,ll just feck things up as per Normal...£45K a year their drivers get and your advocating they strike for more whilst you and yours go without due to a bloody Fuel shortage....These guys are so far out front in the Pay Stakes its like a Ferrari over Taking a reliant Robin..



You need to wise up! You/me are getting poorer and poorer - the rich/poor gap is bigger...................and that supposedly is because we are doing it the right way!!!!! - I do not think so.

They may be driving a Ferrari and the best of luck to them, but if you are driving a robin reliant - then that is only because of "Del boy" thinking.



If you train hard and have ambitions the richer and poorer gap doesn't even come into the equation. If you knew what a Tanker driver has to pass to enable him to transport fuel you'll be tipping your hat to them at every opportunity.


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