Sussex wrote:
blackpool wrote:
Cant believe some of the comments,there were lies corruption and cover ups and thats ok ? Have things really moved on that much ?Ian Tomlinson and another few spring to mind.Its not about the football people died and people lied about it,if it was someone close you lost you might feel different.
I think there's now a general consensus that many people f***ed up on and before that day, which eventually led to those very sad needless deaths.
Loads of people are correctly pointing the fingers at those in the establishment, but I'm also asking why those fighting the good fight never mention the appalling behaviour by some of the Liverpool fans before the game.
There appears to be a large dose of ignorance when it comes to their so-called own.
Build-upAs is usual in most domestic matches in England, Hillsborough was segregated between the opposing fans. The police chose to put the Nottingham Forest fans in the Spion Kop end of the ground, which had a capacity of 21,000. The Liverpool supporters were assigned to the Leppings Lane End of the stadium, which could hold 14,600 fans, even though Liverpool were regarded as having a larger support than Nottingham Forest,[14] the reason being that with the opposite arrangement the routes of the opposing fans would have had to cross each other. Kick-off for the match was scheduled for 3:00 pm, with fans advised to take up their positions fifteen minutes beforehand. On the day of the match, both radio and television advised that supporters without tickets should not attend.
It was reported that fans had been delayed by unannounced roadworks on the M62 motorway over the Pennines and the resulting road congestion. Between 2:30 pm and 2:40 pm, there was a big build-up of fans in the small area outside the turnstile entrances to the Leppings Lane End, all eager to enter the stadium quickly before the match started.[15]
The scene outside the ground as the disaster began.A bottleneck developed with more fans arriving than could enter the two cages in the middle of the Leppings Lane Stand. People who had been refused entry could not leave the area because of the crush behind them but remained as an obstruction. The fans outside could hear the cheering from inside as the teams came on the pitch ten minutes before the match started, and again as the match kicked off, but could not get in; the start was not delayed while the fans entered. In one instance, a small gate was opened to eject one person, and twenty people got into the ground through it.[16] A side gate was also opened to ease the build-up. With an estimated 5,000 fans trying to get through the turnstiles, and increasing security concerns over crushing outside the turnstiles, the police, to avoid deaths outside the ground, opened a set of gates, intended as an exit, which did not have turnstiles (Gate C).[17] This decision allowed a rush of supporters through the gate into the stadium.
[edit] The crushThe result was that many thousands of fans entered through a narrow tunnel at the rear of the terrace and into the two already overcrowded central pens, creating additional pressure at the front of the terrace. Hundreds of people were pressed against one another and against the fencing by the weight of the crowd behind them. The people entering were unaware of the problems at the fence; police or stewards would normally have stood at the entrance to the tunnel if the central pens had reached capacity, and would otherwise have directed fans into the side pens, but on this occasion they did not, for reasons which have never been fully explained.[18] A BBC TV news report later stated that if police had posted two police horses correctly, they would have acted as breakwaters directing many fans into side pens, but on this occasion, this was not done
I didn't know that you had gone to that match... what did you see...