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 Post subject: The Same Old, Same Old
PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 12:38 pm 
Ive visited many forums around the internet on various subjects and many to do with the Taxi & Private Hire trades, many come and try their best to run a forum but most fall by the wayside, The Taxi Forums is a prime example.

There are however 2 things that seem to be common amongst all of these forums is that the usual suspects are among the posters on all of the different Taxi or Private Hire forums.

Now these people are one of 2 things they are bascially sad cases who have nothing better to do, or they are the people who care about our trades, I would rather presume the latter.

The second thing is that whatever forum they are on, the same old arguments raise their head and the same prejiduces prevail.

Their are a lot of things that can be acheived if the two trades worked together, but while we all have our heads stuck up our own arses others are scheming in the background ready to take the work from right under our noses of which the latest threat seems to be TaxiBus.

I think it is about time that the petty squabbles are put behind us and we use all of these forums to better our trades rather than belittle them.

One point about closed lists and forums, would you really want the general public to read some of the postings on this forum?

Rgds
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 5:48 pm 
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I personally don't mind who reads it, or contributes. If something is posted that's out of order, then it's not the hardest thing to press the delete button.

So far on TDO everything is fine, will it remain that? Hell no, but we will cross that bridge when it arrives.

As for the pros and cons of closed or open forums, well I believe that if you have something to say, that you would rather others didn't know about, the internet is without doubt the worst place to say it. Be that on an open or a closed forum.

I believe that a closed list gives members/posters false security. They post, and then that post is printed or forwarded to others. This causes more trouble than it's worth.

On TDO, anyone can post and anyone can read. If you have a top secret, then please PM, e-mail direct, or post in the third person.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 7:06 pm 
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Well I'm both a sad case, and also care about this trade.

I've been on many forums, but not them all, and there are good ones and bads ones. I will leave others to decide on the bad ones, but this I believe is a good one.

As for going over the same old stuff, well I suspect the conversation's on the ranks, and in the operators offices, are always the same old stuff.

Nothing changes slower than the HC and PH trade. Which is why they go back to the 1630's in the OFT report.

Alas then, there was no TDO. :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 9:09 pm 
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Jambo wrote:
There are however 2 things that seem to be common amongst all of these forums is that the usual suspects are among the posters on all of the different Taxi or Private Hire forums.

The second thing is that whatever forum they are on, the same old arguments raise their head and the same prejiduces prevail.



Yes Mr Jambo, posts of your kind appear occassionaly, but there's always a certain irony about people coming on and pointing out that only the usual suspects can be found on forums, with the same old arguments, and they rarely proffer their own point of view, and then are never heard of again!!!!!

Yes, the same old argumets will always arise, particularly until they are sorted out, but it's the same in any sphere of life.

As for 'prejudices', I take that to mean that you simply don't agree with the posters viewpoint? If so then why do you use the term 'prejudice'?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 9:13 pm 
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Jambo wrote:
There are however 2 things that seem to be common amongst all of these forums is that the usual suspects are among the posters on all of the different Taxi or Private Hire forums.

Now these people are one of 2 things they are bascially sad cases who have nothing better to do, or they are the people who care about our trades, I would rather presume the latter.



Andy, you have more posts than me, that must make you a sadder case than me :wink:

The 'sad case' slur can be used about anything that people have an interest in, personally I just prefer to let people get on with it, whether it be trainspotting, football, smoking or whatever.

What's your idea of something 'better to do', Mr Jambo??

Now, I'll have to get back to that knitting, so stop wasting my time!

Dusty


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 9:15 pm 
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Jambo wrote:
One point about closed lists and forums, would you really want the general public to read some of the postings on this forum?



Obviously not some of them, but our view is that if you close the list then people are more reluctant to read and/or post, which we don't want to discourage.

But the more people who know what's going on, the better, warts and all!

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 4:07 am 
Jambo wrote:
Ive visited many forums around the internet on various subjects and many to do with the Taxi & Private Hire trades, many come and try their best to run a forum but most fall by the wayside, The Taxi Forums is a prime example.

There are however 2 things that seem to be common amongst all of these forums is that the usual suspects are among the posters on all of the different Taxi or Private Hire forums.

Now these people are one of 2 things they are bascially sad cases who have nothing better to do, or they are the people who care about our trades, I would rather presume the latter.

The second thing is that whatever forum they are on, the same old arguments raise their head and the same prejiduces prevail.

Their are a lot of things that can be acheived if the two trades worked together, but while we all have our heads stuck up our own arses others are scheming in the background ready to take the work from right under our noses of which the latest threat seems to be TaxiBus.

I think it is about time that the petty squabbles are put behind us and we use all of these forums to better our trades rather than belittle them.

One point about closed lists and forums, would you really want the general public to read some of the postings on this forum?

Rgds
Jambo


Jambo Cousain.
Taxibus was devised in the 1985 transport act after lobbying from councillors in a little rural town called Hebden Bridge, which I am told is somewhere in Western Yorkshire.

apparently there is a council estate called dodd naze where busses could not get up so they called in the taxibus, acracabra now buses run there and another hamlet called Old Town from first bus, who have interestingly cycle racks on the back of the buses.

Transport Act 1985 brought in the taxibus formula, run correctly as intended these buisnesses ensure both buses and taxis are viable in rural areas.

Whats your beef about taxibuses? let me say here and now run as intended there is no threat to anyone, but there are [edited by admin] thats abusing it like the taxibuses at manchester airport which in fact are one big con.

taxibuses run to timetabes on defined routes are a sensible economy and provide a service.

Taxibus Opperator to rural areas.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 5:17 am 
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Jambo Cousain.
Taxibus was devised in the 1985 transport act after lobbying from councillors in a little rural town called Hebden Bridge, which I am told is somewhere in Western Yorkshire.

apparently there is a council estate called dodd naze where busses could not get up so they called in the taxibus, acracabra now buses run there and another hamlet called Old Town from first bus, who have interestingly cycle racks on the back of the buses.

Transport Act 1985 brought in the taxibus formula, run correctly as intended these buisnesses ensure both buses and taxis are viable in rural areas.

Whats your beef about taxibuses? let me say here and now run as intended there is no threat to anyone, but there are [edited by admin] thats abusing it like the taxibuses at manchester airport which in fact are one big con.

taxibuses run to timetabes on defined routes are a sensible economy and provide a service.

Taxibus Opperator to rural areas.


My beef about TaxiBuses is the claims that the people at IGT are making please take a look at www.taxibus.org.uk

I agree that in the right area and run correctly they can be an asset, but the claims that IGT are making are unbelievable.

Rgds
Jambo


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 5:20 am 
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Andy, you have more posts than me, that must make you a sadder case than me :wink:

The 'sad case' slur can be used about anything that people have an interest in, personally I just prefer to let people get on with it, whether it be trainspotting, football, smoking or whatever.

What's your idea of something 'better to do', Mr Jambo??

Now, I'll have to get back to that knitting, so stop wasting my time!

Dusty


Dusty

I am glad that you have found a suitable pass time.

The Growler


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 5:24 am 
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As for 'prejudices', I take that to mean that you simply don't agree with the posters viewpoint? If so then why do you use the term 'prejudice'?

Dusty


No Dusty
I mean the prejudices that people have against each other on this and other forums.

Rgds
Jambo


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 11:12 am 
Jambo wrote:
Ive visited many forums around the internet on various subjects and many to do with the Taxi & Private Hire trades, many come and try their best to run a forum but most fall by the wayside, The Taxi Forums is a prime example.

There are however 2 things that seem to be common amongst all of these forums is that the usual suspects are among the posters on all of the different Taxi or Private Hire forums.

Now these people are one of 2 things they are bascially sad cases who have nothing better to do, or they are the people who care about our trades, I would rather presume the latter.

The second thing is that whatever forum they are on, the same old arguments raise their head and the same prejiduces prevail.

Their are a lot of things that can be acheived if the two trades worked together, but while we all have our heads stuck up our own arses others are scheming in the background ready to take the work from right under our noses of which the latest threat seems to be TaxiBus.

I think it is about time that the petty squabbles are put behind us and we use all of these forums to better our trades rather than belittle them.

One point about closed lists and forums, would you really want the general public to read some of the postings on this forum?

Rgds
Jambo


That's why I keep a low profile on forums like these, you have drivers aiming insults at each other like the moderators aming insults at Hackney drivers and vica versa. No wonder the trade in in such a mess.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 3:10 pm 
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I mean the prejudices that people have against each other on this and other forums.



For example?

Dusty :?:


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 3:16 pm 
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Alf Richardson wrote:
That's why I keep a low profile on forums like these, you have drivers aiming insults at each other like the moderators aming insults at Hackney drivers and vica versa. No wonder the trade in in such a mess.


Which forum and which insults are you talking about Alf?

There are no moderators as such on this site, and I can't see much in the way of insults thrown by either myself or Alex who are the administrators.

It's difficult, we've tried to delete abusive posts in the past but that just causes more trouble as it's deemed censorship.

I know forums like this are not perfect, but they're a lot better than no debate at all and people staying in the dark about things.

Constructive comment and criticisms is welcome, but frankly I don't think either your own or Jambo's comments can be considered constructive.

Dusty :?


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 4:04 pm 
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Jambo Cousain.
Taxibus was devised in the 1985 transport act after lobbying from councillors in a little rural town called Hebden Bridge, which I am told is somewhere in Western Yorkshire.

apparently there is a council estate called dodd naze where busses could not get up so they called in the taxibus, acracabra now buses run there and another hamlet called Old Town from first bus, who have interestingly cycle racks on the back of the buses.

Transport Act 1985 brought in the taxibus formula, run correctly as intended these buisnesses ensure both buses and taxis are viable in rural areas.

Whats your beef about taxibuses? let me say here and now run as intended there is no threat to anyone, but there are [edited by admin] thats abusing it like the taxibuses at manchester airport which in fact are one big con.

taxibuses run to timetabes on defined routes are a sensible economy and provide a service.

Taxibus Opperator to rural areas.


My beef about TaxiBuses is the claims that the people at IGT are making please take a look at www.taxibus.org.uk

I agree that in the right area and run correctly they can be an asset, but the claims that IGT are making are unbelievable.

Rgds
Jambo





yes I now know where you are comming from, what is described is not actually taxibus, but satelite bus, as devised in Hamburg Germany,

these systems have yet to proove they can work without mass subsidy, dont worry its here today gone tommorow, the bad news in Hamburg with government cash they put taxis out of buisness.

yes I am now as appauled as you.

Taxibus Opperator


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 9:27 pm 
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Dear Taxi bus operator,
As you can see from my description I am one of many being conned at Manchester Airport by the lack of action by the police and the Council Enforcement people.
We all know what is happening is illegal but we are getting nothing at all from the men that matter. I would be very interested in your comments and if you would prefer to E.mail me rather than go public feel free.
I have stated earlier on another thread that things are moving forward but will reveal all later when things are in motion. I do not want to give the game away because you never know who might be reading this.
Look forward to your comments either way.
Ged

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