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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:42 pm 
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MPs debating the Justice and Security Bill.

There were 16 MPs in the Commons chambers.

This is democracy in action. We get to see 16 MPs crafting the illusion of democracy, when the real decision has already been taken by a couple of suits, and the Whips will see it is delivered.

Last time the council debated whether to end taxi licence restriction, Jim Inch gave each councillor a sheaf of 130 pages of guff explaining why the restriction should be maintained. There was no dissenting argument. There was no debate in council. The deal was a slam dunk.

Presented with all of the guff, councillors didn't even have to feel put upon to read it. They didn't have the time, and knew they didn't need to anyway. Raising their hand in line with the party's wishes was all that was required.

That's a lot of expenses and fees expended on the minimum enery required to raise one's arm.

Democracy doesn't exist in our government system.

It behoves me to add, that Chairman Salmond has had ample opportunity to change things. he could have ordered a root and branch reform of local government.

But he hasn't. And why is that?

Because the establishment doesn't want him to.

And why do they get away with it?

Because our nation is mired in mindless units of production like Gusmac who never question the status quo, and wouldn't even know what questions to ask in the first place.

It's easier to resist change than bring it about.

Especially when the herd are happy to be the shecht on the establishment shoe.


You borrowed Gary's soapbox then?


Aye Gusmac, you prove the old adage is true.

You don't have to be bright to be a cabbie.

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Well stick around, you may better your IQ :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:17 am 
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Not a chance.

There really is nothing to learn from you. because your sim[ly trudging out the same unoriginal claptrap of forelock tuggers before you.

Your problem is that you've never had an original thought in your life.

Someone's feeding you the Nasties propaganda, and you don't have the wit to realise where it would lead.

But let's start the real debate here.

Politician's only do what politicians want to do, what is in their own interest, and what ingratiates them with the system that accords them just enough influence to ensure its own survival.

Think you can get a handle on that Gusmac?

It's a wee bit more advanced than wee Eck's offering in the Sunday Post

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:05 am 
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You're right about one thing Jim. You will learn nothing here.
In fact you would learn nothing anywhere.
To learn, you would first have to accept that there is something you don't know.
You would also have to accept that you're not always right and even acknowledge the times when you are wrong.
In the six years I have been on this forum, that has happened many times, yet I can't actually remember you ever doing that.

You and Gary don't want to learn anything. You already believe you know it all and anyone who thinks otherwise is clearly stupid. You just want to preach and you love nothing better than deriding and belittling anyone with the audacity not to accept your opinions as gospel.

Debate with you is just pointless. You don't debate, you state and you berate.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:14 am 
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gusmac wrote:
You're right about one thing Jim. You will learn nothing here.
In fact you would learn nothing anywhere.
To learn, you would first have to accept that there is something you don't know.
You would also have to accept that you're not always right and even acknowledge the times when you are wrong.
In the six years I have been on this forum, that has happened many times, yet I can't actually remember you ever doing that.

You and Gary don't want to learn anything. You already believe you know it all and anyone who thinks otherwise is clearly stupid. You just want to preach and you love nothing better than deriding and belittling anyone with the audacity not to accept your opinions as gospel.

Debate with you is just pointless. You don't debate, you state and you berate.


Quality.

So then. Tell me where I was wrong. Where I was EVER wrong.

You said "many" times. I'm waiting!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:52 am 
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Jasbar wrote:
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You're right about one thing Jim. You will learn nothing here.
In fact you would learn nothing anywhere.
To learn, you would first have to accept that there is something you don't know.
You would also have to accept that you're not always right and even acknowledge the times when you are wrong.
In the six years I have been on this forum, that has happened many times, yet I can't actually remember you ever doing that.

You and Gary don't want to learn anything. You already believe you know it all and anyone who thinks otherwise is clearly stupid. You just want to preach and you love nothing better than deriding and belittling anyone with the audacity not to accept your opinions as gospel.

Debate with you is just pointless. You don't debate, you state and you berate.


Quality.

So then. Tell me where I was wrong. Where I was EVER wrong.


QED. :D

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:08 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
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You're right about one thing Jim. You will learn nothing here.
In fact you would learn nothing anywhere.
To learn, you would first have to accept that there is something you don't know.
You would also have to accept that you're not always right and even acknowledge the times when you are wrong.
In the six years I have been on this forum, that has happened many times, yet I can't actually remember you ever doing that.

You and Gary don't want to learn anything. You already believe you know it all and anyone who thinks otherwise is clearly stupid. You just want to preach and you love nothing better than deriding and belittling anyone with the audacity not to accept your opinions as gospel.

Debate with you is just pointless. You don't debate, you state and you berate.


Quality.

So then. Tell me where I was wrong. Where I was EVER wrong.


QED. :D


Exactly. More tripe from you.

That's problem with forums. Numpties like you get to make unsubstantiated claims and when asked to explain yourself you don't. because you can't. Never could.

And you would want Scots to follow your example, let you lead us into political disaster.

You've lost this debate, and there is no way that Scots will vote for independence, which really is not independence.

My regret is that we have to share the planet, far less Scotland, with xenophobic racists like you.

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Well I am neither xenophobic nor racist, so there's two for starters. :D

But you're right about numpties making unsubstantiated claims. You do it frequently. :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:10 pm 
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Jasbar wrote:
Tell me where I was wrong. Where I was EVER wrong.


I'd call this number 3
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I was wrong then. And you guys are wrong now.

At least I had the wit to realise how fundamentally immoral restriction is. It's just plain wrong.

And without the corruption of the council, it won't exist.

You guys have to realise you don't matter. The council decides to bin restriction they will do so in a heartbeat.

The only question is when they're gonna do it.

I suspect sooner than you think or want.

My only concern is whether another vulnerable female is harmed before they do.

And if that does happen, I'm gonna have a field day.

Bet on it.
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=20316&p=254796&hilit=cabforce#p254801


I was wrong about you never acknowledging your mistakes, you did on that occasion.
My apologies. :D

I'm quite sure there are other occasions when you claimed Edinburgh's restrictions were going to be lifted and they weren't, I just can't be bothered searching for them.
Not an easy feat since your account has been deleted at least once, and your posts on this account only go back to 2009.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:58 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
Jasbar wrote:
Tell me where I was wrong. Where I was EVER wrong.


I'd call this number 3
Jasbar wrote:
I was wrong then. And you guys are wrong now.

At least I had the wit to realise how fundamentally immoral restriction is. It's just plain wrong.

And without the corruption of the council, it won't exist.

You guys have to realise you don't matter. The council decides to bin restriction they will do so in a heartbeat.

The only question is when they're gonna do it.

I suspect sooner than you think or want.

My only concern is whether another vulnerable female is harmed before they do.

And if that does happen, I'm gonna have a field day.

Bet on it.
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=20316&p=254796&hilit=cabforce#p254801


I was wrong about you never acknowledging your mistakes, you did on that occasion.
My apologies. :D

I'm quite sure there are other occasions when you claimed Edinburgh's restrictions were going to be lifted and they weren't, I just can't be bothered searching for them.
Not an easy feat since your account has been deleted at least once, and your posts on this account only go back to 2009.


Gusmac, we’ve always said there is no real restriction other than fettering a driver's access to the tools of his trade. Taxis and Ph do the same job picking up the same punters only with Ph, expanding to meet public demand.

You are using restriction in a different context to how we used it. :-|

Oh and when we claimed de-restriction was on the cards it was a wind-up, to scare the shi* out of the owners because like you, they couldn't tell the difference either. :-|


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:46 pm 
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Skull wrote:
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Jasbar wrote:
Tell me where I was wrong. Where I was EVER wrong.


I'd call this number 3
Jasbar wrote:
I was wrong then. And you guys are wrong now.

At least I had the wit to realise how fundamentally immoral restriction is. It's just plain wrong.

And without the corruption of the council, it won't exist.

You guys have to realise you don't matter. The council decides to bin restriction they will do so in a heartbeat.

The only question is when they're gonna do it.

I suspect sooner than you think or want.

My only concern is whether another vulnerable female is harmed before they do.

And if that does happen, I'm gonna have a field day.

Bet on it.
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=20316&p=254796&hilit=cabforce#p254801


I was wrong about you never acknowledging your mistakes, you did on that occasion.
My apologies. :D

I'm quite sure there are other occasions when you claimed Edinburgh's restrictions were going to be lifted and they weren't, I just can't be bothered searching for them.
Not an easy feat since your account has been deleted at least once, and your posts on this account only go back to 2009.


Gusmac, we’ve always said there is no real restriction other than fettering a driver's access to the tools of his trade. Taxis and Ph do the same job picking up the same punters only with Ph, expanding to meet public demand.

You are using restriction in a different context to how we used it. :-|

Oh and when we claimed de-restriction was on the cards it was a wind-up, to scare the shi* out of the owners because like you, they couldn't tell the difference either. :-|


Jim asked me to point out where he had EVER been wrong. That is what I have done. Nothing more.
I make no comment on the substance of the post, other than to point to the clear admission that he had been wrong.

Now if Jim truly believes himself incapable of being wrong, that puts him in the same league as God or David Icke. :shock:

It's both easy and convenient to write off previous mistakes as wind ups. Certainly it would help to preserve one's godlike status.
Personally, I think you've both OD'd on your own bullshit. :D

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And that coming from the man who thinks "Independence" with the present system will change things for the better. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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And that coming from the man who thinks "Independence" with the present system will change things for the better. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Dear oh dear, repeating yourself again.

Never mind, tell yourself enough times and it may just be true.
"Jim is right. Jim is always right"

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:42 pm 
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And that coming from the man who thinks "Independence" with the present system will change things for the better. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Dear oh dear, repeating yourself again.

Never mind, tell yourself enough times and it may just be true.
"Jim is right. Jim is always right"


Ever been wrong? Of course I was relating to matters discussed on this forum, and in debate between us Gusmac.

But then you've extended your logic beyond that and waxed lyrical about an insult you thought you'd made all on your own. Bully for you.

Isn't it a pity that your logic doesn't extend to a ten-year-old's understanding of the illusion of democracy. And how Scots have always been controlled by power cliques.

Fact is that not everyone who voted SNP want independence. The polls clearly suggest this.

Fact is that the SNP gained power because of a wave of anti-labour feeling, brought about by Tony Blair's reneging on every facet of traditional Labour values, which have been the cornerstone of Scots' political leanings for over a hundred years.

There is no desire among the majority of Scots to break away.

=D>

And a fool who would lead us to the promised land.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:45 pm 
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Fact is that not everyone who voted SNP want independence. The polls clearly suggest this.


Not in dispute, at least not by me. - Gary thinks a vote is irrelevent, do you agree?

BTW not everyone who wants independence votes SNP, just as not everyone who votes SNP wants independence.

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Fact is that the SNP gained power because of a wave of anti-labour feeling, brought about by Tony Blair's reneging on every facet of traditional Labour values, which have been the cornerstone of Scots' political leanings for over a hundred years.


Yes Blair, but it's not just him. His legacy perhaps.

But you have put your finger on the problem.
The labour party now is indistinguishable from the tories or liberals. Tories in red ties, and the Scottish labour party? Useless second raters doing London labour's bidding.
Scots have a socialist tradition which labour has abandoned in pursuit of English electability. Scots feel disenfranchised, and voted for the only dissenting voice on the ballot.

The trouble is, nothing has changed re labour since May 2011. If anything, they sounding more and more like tories every day.
SLAB needs to get it's own independence from London labour or Scotland will do it for them.

In 2014, we have two choices, go our own way or stick around for more of the same. Nobody is giving us a third option.

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There is no desire among the majority of Scots to break away.


There was no desire among Scots for the union in the first place. - But it happened anyway.

There is no desire to have our children die in illegal wars, no desire to have WMDs on the Clyde. no desire for Tory rule. - But guess what? We got those too and will continue to do so, so long as we are in the union.

We have no desire for a privatised NHS, no desire for our pensioners to have their bus passes revoked,no desire for our..........need I go on?
But this is where the union bus is going. We Scots are very unwilling passengers.

And while there is no real desire among the majority to break away, there is equally no great love for the union either. If a week is a long time in politics, what's two years?

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There was no desire among Scots for the union in the first place. - But it happened anyway.

There is no desire to have our children die in illegal wars, no desire to have WMDs on the Clyde. no desire for Tory rule. - But guess what? We got those too and will continue to do so, so long as we are in the union.

We have no desire for a privatised NHS, no desire for our pensioners to have their bus passes revoked,no desire for our..........need I go on?
But this is where the union bus is going. We Scots are very unwilling passengers.

And while there is no real desire among the majority to break away, there is equally no great love for the union either. If a week is a long time in politics, what's two years?


Listen, you muppet, the average citizen of the UK, wasn't involved in any of the above. It's purely political. What the public wants doesn't matter. You have just proven my point. The system takes over and those voted into power represent their own interests and that of the wealthy elite.

"We Scots are very unwilling passengers" and like that will change with our own political class running the show? #-o #-o #-o #-o

Honestly Gusmac, you are delusional. #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o


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