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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:51 am 
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It'll have been meant as a Hate Crime tool, But it'll slowly but surely become the weapon of choice for every soft lad or lass in the country to threaten anyone that say's more than BOO! to them with..

The saving grace is that Humans being the way they are and who can't bite their lip will probably swamp the net with petty hates and comments and make it unable to be policed. even If all the police in the Country were to focus all their time and energy on the internet they would still hardly make a dent on it..

Or It'll fizzle out or be only of use to the rich and mighty that can afford to pursue such cases.

Hate Crimes indeed!....every things becoming a crime these days.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:20 am 
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The reason I was asking that question jasbar is that I have a prior experience in a similar situation and from all that I've read you've got a greater chance of redress going down the civil route. Obviously I don't know all the gory details and the politics of policing have probably swung in your favour but you'd be mad to place too much faith in the PF in my opinion.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:09 pm 
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durr wrote:
The reason I was asking that question jasbar is that I have a prior experience in a similar situation and from all that I've read you've got a greater chance of redress going down the civil route. Obviously I don't know all the gory details and the politics of policing have probably swung in your favour but you'd be mad to place too much faith in the PF in my opinion.


Criminal proceedings as a prelude to civil.

And the PF is hamstrung.

Because McAlpine has set a precedent for pursuit. And we have a system here in Scotland which has stated a zero tolerance policy. How can you have a zero tolerance if you allow the ctime in the first place. And what was published on Fasties is irrefutable.

That the cops are even investigating proves that on the face of the crime has been committed.

It would be up to the defendant to prove his allegations were correct. And of course he couldn't. he has no evidence.

And his use of the term Lesbian in a derogatory manner is also irrefutable. How can anyone hold a public license, dealing with the public, especially in such a close setting as a taxi, when he holds such discriminatory views which tell of hatred for minorities?

Failure to act by the authorities would leave them open to serious charges.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:36 pm 
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durr wrote:
The reason I was asking that question jasbar is that I have a prior experience in a similar situation and from all that I've read you've got a greater chance of redress going down the civil route. Obviously I don't know all the gory details and the politics of policing have probably swung in your favour but you'd be mad to place too much faith in the PF in my opinion.


The civil route is very costly, proves little, and even if you win, you are lucky to cover your legal costs. Frankie Boyle recently won a civil case and was awarded 50K. The only real winners out of that situation were the lawyers working for both sides.

Although, I am open to hear how your story ended differently.

The PF, in my experience pursues crimes of near certainty based on the evidence and those seen to be in the public interest. We have a forum owner and administrator using his internet presence as a weapon to attack people from behind a pseudonym.
Now either the law applies, or it doesn’t but in Jim’s case, it’s not because it lacks evidence. :-|


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:39 pm 
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Skull wrote:
durr wrote:
The reason I was asking that question jasbar is that I have a prior experience in a similar situation and from all that I've read you've got a greater chance of redress going down the civil route. Obviously I don't know all the gory details and the politics of policing have probably swung in your favour but you'd be mad to place too much faith in the PF in my opinion.


The civil route is very costly, proves little, and even if you win, you are lucky to cover your legal costs. Frankie Boyle recently won a civil case and was awarded 50K. The only real winners out of that situation were the lawyers working for both sides.

Although, I am open to hear how your story ended differently.

The PF, in my experience pursues crimes of near certainty based on the evidence and those seen to be in the public interest. We have a forum owner and administrator using his internet presence as a weapon to attack people from behind a pseudonym.
Now either the law applies, or it doesn’t but in Jim’s case, it’s not because it lacks evidence. :-|


And its the perfect slam dunk case to use in order to send out a message to other Travis Bickles. TB may just be hoist on not just his own petard.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:22 pm 
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Well let's look at this way, Travis will have to substantiate his claims or fall on his sword. There simply isn't a third option as far as I can see, unless he's going to plead temporary insanity or something of that nature. #-o Which for him wouldn't be that unbelievable. :badgrin:

Travis didn't only attack Jim. He showed his aversion towards homosexuals and used it as a weapon to make criminal allegations of a sexual nature. Not a clever move in today's political climate.

Now you could look at this as jealous little man syndrome because of Jim writing his book, but that doesn't make it any less of an offence.

And what about bringing the trade into disrepute and of course, his radio company? #-o


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:57 am 
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Doesn't it bother you that you're relying on the very same people to deliver a result, that you maintain are all corrupt and not to be trusted?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:36 am 
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gusmac wrote:
Doesn't it bother you that you're relying on the very same people to deliver a result, that you maintain are all corrupt and not to be trusted?


Are you suggesting that there is an inherent corruption within Lothian and Borders finest :lol:

It's about the system. When you are challenging it head on it doesn't like it, and it closes ranks.

Here the system is being used because we understand how it works. Fact is, it is bound to react in a certain way, or else we all see how the system is flawed.

It is in the discretion the administrators exercise where their power lies. here, they have no discretion. A crime has been committed. It is clear for all to see the evidence. The system has pronounced zero tolerance.

So, where's the difficulty.

BTW I know exactly what my defence would be. But I'm not sure Travis has the wit to try it. =D>

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