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TornCasualty
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I was under the impression that one man has already lost his livelyhood because of this.


And your point is?


Well if you can't see how trying to make fools out of the councillors doesn't harm your fight then you don't deserve to win.


You're problem seems to be that you give blanket respect, even when it is not deserved. let's be quite clear, these guys are rogues. They're charged with representing the public when all they're really doing is representin themselves.

Colin Keir drives a bus FCS. You think he wants more taxis on the road?

Cllr Cardownie has just put on 50 PHC and he's the deputy leader of the council. You think he wants more taxis?

They are exercising their restriction policy which would be illegal in every other sector of our economy. You think these guys deserve respect?

So, you want me to play the lon sycophantic political game. And who do you think will support this? Play the game their way and you lose. Who wants to lose.
I have a right to a licence under the Act. That is being denied me. The Act allows me to apply and for the matter to be considered fairly. Yet, the decision is predetermined by council policy to restrict. This is fair? You want me to respect councillors who act unfairly?

You simply can't see the oppression even though the jackboot is grinding into your face. Grandad, this is war. It is a war waged until victory is ours. It will never go away. And I'm determined to ruin the political careers of those responsible. I will be pursuing this for a public inquiry. I will be writing this in book form which will be published on the internet at least.

No, I'm not angry. I'm fecking raging.

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They are exercising their restriction policy

Much like most councils restrict licenses for pubs, clubs, places of entertainment, saunas etc, even the NHS restrict licenses for dispensing chemists - you make out it's only taxi licenses that are restricted - classic TayLIAR being economical with the truth to suit your aims :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Cllr Cardownie has just put on 50 PHC

More misinformation masquerading as fact - just cos you said it TayLIAR, disnae make it true :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I'm determined to ruin the political careers of those responsible.

And here we have the real reason for JT applying for plates - and we all thought it was for the common good. Like the time he was going to stand for the council, till he found out his arch enemy Donald Anderson wasn't standing - it's all just a game of revenge for you :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I will be writing this in book form which will be published on the internet at least.
At least you realise no one is crazy enough to commit to print the libellous drivel you're likely to produce :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Jasbar you seem to have got me wrong. I fully support what you are trying to achieve. It is the method by which certain people are going about it that I find difficult to accept.
In normal circumstances I would agree with you. These are not normal circumstances. This council and its officials have relinquished the right to be treated with respect. They operate a public body as a cartel, riding roughshot over everyone who wants only what is their right, for their own selfish ends. Respect is a two way street. How much respect have these people shown to those they were elected to serve or the law?

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it's all just a game of revenge for you - Torn Casulaty


You better believe it baby.

And I've not forgotten about you either.

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And what he witnessed was a complete negation of our political system, the abuse of power through failing to take anything on board which didn't suit the councillors or fit with their policy to deny licences and a refusal by councillors to ask any questions of them.

So, what we have is a system which does what it wants and doesn't have to explain itself.



So they are identical to nearly every other council in England Scotland or Wales ! I gave up years ago trying to negotiate anything with our council they do as they please anyway and don't give a monkeys ****** for the livelihoods of the local cabbies most councillors treat bus drivers as saints and cabbies as sinners
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grandad wrote:
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I was under the impression that one man has already lost his livelyhood because of this.


And your point is?


Well if you can't see how trying to make fools out of the councillors doesn't harm your fight then you don't deserve to win.


This council have been doing an excellent job of making fools of themselves and the legal process for years. The guy who lost his livelyhood had it taken from him by his company, not the council.


But you lot keep saying that he lost it because he applied for a license that you knew he wouldn't get and now you are taking the pi55 out of the council so he is even more unlikly to get it.
He lost his livelyhood because his company are a bunch of barstewards.
There wasn't a cat in hells chance that the council was going to grant his (or anyone elses ) plate. He knew he was going to have to go to court to get it, before he even applied.


Maybe so but I doubt that he knew that the skull was treating it all as a game for his own amusement and that he was just part of that game.




It’s a game alright grandad. And yes that’s exactly how I see it. And if you think politicians see it any differently then you would be very mistaken.

Politicians know there are two things you don’t feck with in this country: One is the crown. The second is the political process. Even criminals know the rules of this game. We are all adhering to the rules of engagement. Nothing more and nothing less, it’s a very dirty game.

I can assure you that they think people like you are very naïve however well intentioned. In their world playing by their rules there are only winners and losers and people who have no idea how the game is played.

At a higher level people like this would roll into a country and destroy millions of lives for a few barrels of oil.

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Jasbar you seem to have got me wrong. I fully support what you are trying to achieve. It is the method by which certain people are going about it that I find difficult to accept. Grandad


Grandad, consider this email I sent following our meeting with the council. Tell me how this squares with how you think I should be dealing with them.

Dear Cllr Whyte

I write to you as the leader of the Conservatives on City of Edinburgh Council.

I refer to the meeting of the Regulatory Committee at which my taxi operator's licence application was rejected by the councillors.

I contend that this decision was pre-determined and I lodge complaint with you specifically about Cllr Joanna Mowat as proof of this.

At the outset of my address Cllr Mowat nodded her head in disapproval and made exaggerated movements to demonstrate that disapproval. She then lowered her head as if she couldn't be bothered listening. My colleague drew her attention to this and invited her to make comment. She refused.

This is not conduct becoming of a councillor who was charged with determining whether a licence should be granted and is the clearest sign that my case was prejudiced and that, knowing what the outcome would be, it was a burden on her to have to go through the motions.

Cllr Mowat's conduct is not befitting the role of councillor that she is charged with.

Now tell me agian Grandad how I should respect these people. When she lowered her head onto her arms on the desk, did she deserve my respect?
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What does lowering her head into hads mean is this some kind of masons code that us mortals(non-masons)don`t understand please elaborate
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jasbar
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What does lowering her head into hads mean is this some kind of masons code that us mortals(non-masons)don`t understand please elaborate


You know I hadn't thought of that. There was me thinking she just wanted to fall asleep when all the time she was signalling in secret code.

Gosh, aren't we lucky to have such an intuitive individual like you to keep us right.

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Maybe she was scared to answer you jim incase she got a torrent of abuse because she didn`t say what you wanted to hear it wouldn`t be the first time would it do you really think your that important that they would sit in an office and discuss you before coming into the meeting you really are kidding yourself that your impotent.
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jasbar
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Maybe she was scared to answer you jim incase she got a torrent of abuse because she didn`t say what you wanted to hear it wouldn`t be the first time would it do you really think your that important that they would sit in an office and discuss you before coming into the meeting you really are kidding yourself that your impotent.


Methinks you don't understand the first thing about abuse.

You don't think it is abuse to use the money I pay this council to deny me my right to a licence?

Or the fact that the council only considers the information it wants to "justify" its restriction policy?

Or than a councillor can fast track 50 PHC licences while everyone else is dragged through the court?

Or that a council lawyer can tell you that under section 10 (3) the onus is on the applicant to disprove the council's scant demand information? Then refuse to acknowledge that you've even refuted it?

Is this the way you believe a just, accountable democracy operates?

And when YOU Davina are hauled up before the Kangaroo court for a minor misdemeanour, you will consider it just for these councillors to deny you your right to a fair hearing, and will give you a second punishment, because they believe they can?

You've got to get your head out of your ass. Look at what's happening.
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Why would I be dragged up to the council i don`t have a licence yet as for the rest of it thats only your belief and not neccaserily mines.
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Why would I be dragged up to the council i don`t have a licence yet as for the rest of it thats only your belief and not neccaserily mines.


So why are you posting at 4.58 in the morning?

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So why are you posting at 4.58 in the morning?

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So why are you posting at 4.58 in the morning?

:-k
Maybe she's a cab groupie?

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Why are you posting at 11:59 in the morning
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