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This is the Statutory Instrument.

http://opsi.gov.uk/si/si2003/20032695.htm

The way I read it is that it shouldn't matter anyway if they weren't holding it in their hands.

I'm not a frequency man so others will have to clarify that bit. :?

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Sussex wrote:
This is the Statutory Instrument.

http://opsi.gov.uk/si/si2003/20032695.htm

The way I read it is that it shouldn't matter anyway if they weren't holding it in their hands.

I'm not a frequency man so others will have to clarify that bit. :?


I think this bit say's it all as thats what a PDA does


(4) A device referred to in paragraphs (1)(b), (2)(b) and (3)(b) is a device, other than a two-way radio, which performs an interactive communication function by transmitting and receiving data.


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(4) A device referred to in paragraphs (1)(b), (2)(b) and (3)(b) is a device, other than a two-way radio, which performs an interactive communication function by transmitting and receiving data.

As I said further up the thread, we use them as two way radios.

But even if we didn't, as long as they are not in our hands whilst we are driving, then we should be ok.

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(4) A device referred to in paragraphs (1)(b), (2)(b) and (3)(b) is a device, other than a two-way radio, which performs an interactive communication function by transmitting and receiving data.

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As I said further up the thread, we use them as two way radios.


But even if we didn't, as long as they are not in our hands whilst we are driving, then we should be ok.


That's what the drivers said to the police, and the police said that they are not 2 ways as they do not use any of the 2 way frequencies


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That's what the drivers said to the police, and the police said that they are not 2 ways as they do not use any of the 2 way frequencies

Well then they should have said they are mobile phones. :?

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I can't see why 2 way radios are exempted?


Surely driving one handed talking into a microphone is more dangerous than using a hands free mobile :?


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hopper wrote:
I can't see why 2 way radios are exempted?


Surely driving one handed talking into a microphone is more dangerous than using a hands free mobile :?


If they where what would plod do he would not be able to let his base know what he wanted for his supper as he could not contact his base without breaking the law :wink:


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There is actually an exemption to allow certain people use hand held mobile phones whilst driving, or so I was told. The exemption applies to registered radio amatures or so I am told. :wink:

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hopper wrote:
I can't see why 2 way radios are exempted?


Surely driving one handed talking into a microphone is more dangerous than using a hands free mobile :?

Well I can think of a quarter of a million reasons why. :?

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I think you'll find that the radio amateur exemption is exactly the same as for taxis in that it applies only to using a microphone coupled to a radio.

When it comes to using hand held mobile technology, I don't know of anyone that are actually exempt. :roll: including the police themselves?

Whatever. I only popped on to wish everone here a Merry Christmas don't all work too hard and remember a turkey's not just for Christmas especially the big uns. :wink: :mrgreen:

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whatever the equipment, phone, cb radio, ham radio, pda or sex toy, the cops can nick you by simply invoking "driving without due care and attention"

nokia 6310i, nokia h/free kit, radio mute, mutts nutts!


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This is the Statutory Instrument.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2003/20032695.htm

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A PDA, whilst basically a phone (and connects to the cellular networks as such) requires intense attention to view data being transmitted via GPRS, thats to say "onscreen", a screen which, by the way, is only 2"x2" usually.

terrible things, I almost stuffed a big sprinter van I owned into a car in lane 3 at 70mph on the M54 one day, that was enough for me.

voice calls/handsfree only, with auto receive and even radio mute too, 2nd choice would be bluetootooth


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Just maybe I can clarify one little bit, re 2way radios.
I have two operators certificates which I need when I have my other hat on as a Charter Skipper (hence "the fish").
First is "Restricted Certificate of Competence in Radio Telephony - VHF only".
Second is "Maritime Radio Operator Certificate of Competance SHORT RANGE CERTIFICATE".
These certificates mean I had to do do the courses and the exams.
I'm not going into all the frequency debacle so you can breathe easy.
What stands out from the training is simplex and duplex transmissions.
Simplex is a two way radio.
Duplex is more like a phone (but you can get on some radios).
In simplex both radios use one frequency. When you press to talk (PTT) you can't hear.
In duplex when you PTT you can still hear as the radio is receiving on another frequency.
The excersise that stands out is when "simplexing" you can still do other things, steer the boat, change the revs or otherwise cover other things.
When "duplexing" it all goes to ratsXXt - the human brain can't do it.
The Instructor I had used a demo on a computer. All you had to do was steer the boat up harbour (up arrow = up revs, down arrow = cut revs, left and right arrows = steer.) Nothing fast like driving a car (or cab) just obey navigation marks, buoys etc. We (the class) had a play, easy easy, for kids we thought.
Then the same with simplex radio call going on (space bar for PTT) - still easy enough - no accidents.
Then a duplex radio call - disaster - all the class would have gone aground, hit other vessels or otherwise have had accidents.
Compared to a car this is all done at a very slow speed, there are variables like wind, tide etc, but no gear changes, braking, stopping and starting etc.
Bottom line, I will not use a phone when driving (even with bluetooth). I will and do, use a SIMPLEX two way radio. I would use a bluetooth system with a phone if it would convert the phone in use to a simplex device.
Hope this helps with why 2 Way Radios are allowed and Phones are not.

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intheknow wrote:
how is this going to affect companies such as Cordic and Mercury, who only provide a PDA Solution?


Well, if you're using Mercury you only really need to hit En-Route before you set off, then when the passenger gets in you'll be stopped, at which point you hit POB. Then you don't hit STC until you're actually at the destination. At all these points, you're stood still. As for using Tomtom - well, you can always hit the button to route when you're stopped too. Ultimately it doesn't really affect Mercury unless you frequently get jobs despatched while the driver's in motion. Of course, Mercury has nice big chunky text and buttons so you don't have to give the screen much attention to see what's going on.

It could be that you just need to find a way to position the PDA cradle below the side of the car - maybe closer to the head unit.

I couldn't comment on Cordic since I've no experience there.


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