Is this a record price for a station permit?

Sussex · **Posted:** Sat May 31, 2008 9:00 pm

GA wrote:

You have no idea about the recent history regarding the station permits at Newcastle.

Go find out about the activities of the past 5 years, the threats and actions that have been undertaken ................................. and then come back and voice your opinion.

By whom to whom?

GA · **Posted:** Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:45 am

I believe the story was covered on here Sussex.

The richard from Scotland doesn't seem to realise that station permits are in demand .............. and because of that demand command a premium.

Now in his idealistic world everyone would get everything for nothing, which is a fine principle to have, even though its not workable at any level.

I don't see the richard from Scotland complaining about the fees charged by PH offices, all of which are signifigantly more expensive than the cost of a station or airport permit ......................... so his complaint is nothing more than bluff and bluster.

The fact is that if a station permit didn't provide the holder with a steady stream of work and therefore income, the permit would not be worth what they are ............................ but because more income is generated by paying for a permit there will always (rightly or wrongly) be someone willing to pay. Businesses are not stupid, the recognise this and seek to increase their profits.

B. Lucky

GA · **Posted:** Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:56 am

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GA · **Posted:** Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:27 pm

Skull wrote:

National Express won because guys like you sold out their members - for there own good of course :roll:

Guys like me ???????????????????

You on drugs ???????????????????

If a business decides to offer for tender an opportunity to provide services, regardless what those services are, are you really suggesting that the winning tender would be £0.

National Express won for one reason and one reason only ............... if the HC trade hadn't agreed to the terms then a PH operator would have.

Now get back in your box ................. when we want you to pop out we'll open the top!!!!!!!!!!

B. Lucky

Sussex · **Posted:** Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:40 pm

GA wrote:

The fact is that if a station permit didn't provide the holder with a steady stream of work and therefore income, the permit would not be worth what they are ............................ but because more income is generated by paying for a permit there will always (rightly or wrongly) be someone willing to pay. Businesses are not stupid, the recognise this and seek to increase their profits.

I understand that, but why have the unions/associations allowed the fees to be so high?

Just because the drivers are doing well out of a station rank shouldn't mean they have to wet the beak of a bus firm.

Or are the unions/association getting back-handers?

Sussex · **Posted:** Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:41 pm

GA wrote:

National Express won for one reason and one reason only ............... if the HC trade hadn't agreed to the terms then a PH operator would have.

Is the rank out of sight of the main road then?

Skull · **Joined:** Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:54 am **Posts:** 10460

GA wrote:

I believe the story was covered on here Sussex.

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The richard from Scotland doesn't seem to realise that station permits are in demand .............. and because of that demand command a premium.

Permits are an invention to get drivers to pay for what was once free at source. No one owns the public. Not even National Express. Customer "Demand" is met by a restricted number of taxis available to service the public. Permits then sell for an artificial premium due to the artificial public demand for taxis created by National Express i.e. a restrictive service - punters forced to queue.

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Now in his idealistic world everyone would get everything for nothing, which is a fine principle to have, even though its not workable at any level.

You don't pay a private company to sell your services to a free public- that's why you pay a licence fee.

What a Turkey!

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I don't see the richard from Scotland complaining about the fees charged by PH offices, all of which are signifigantly more expensive than the cost of a station or airport permit ......................... so his complaint is nothing more than bluff and bluster.

What the feck are you on about now :roll:

The fact is that if a station permit didn't provide the holder with a steady stream of work and therefore income, the permit would not be worth what they are ............................ but because more income is generated by paying for a permit there will always (rightly or wrongly) be someone willing to pay. Businesses are not stupid, the recognise this and seek to increase their profits.

B. Lucky

"The fact is" taxi drivers are being ripped off simply because they haven't the brains to work out that clowns like you are selling them down the river. :roll:

Skull · **Joined:** Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:54 am **Posts:** 10460

GA wrote:

Skull wrote:

National Express won because guys like you sold out their members - for there own good of course :roll:

Guys like me ???????????????????

You on drugs ???????????????????

If a business decides to offer for tender an opportunity to provide services, regardless what those services are, are you really suggesting that the winning tender would be £0.

National Express won for one reason and one reason only ............... if the HC trade hadn't agreed to the terms then a PH operator would have.

Now get back in your box ................. when we want you to pop out we'll open the top!!!!!!!!!!

B. Lucky

GBC Wrote:

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I don't see them laughing at their southern most terminal.

It would be interesting to see them try and introduce a charge at Kings Cross.

Why not in Kings Cross GA?

GA · **Posted:** Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:24 pm

Sussex wrote:

GA wrote:

The fact is that if a station permit didn't provide the holder with a steady stream of work and therefore income, the permit would not be worth what they are ............................ but because more income is generated by paying for a permit there will always (rightly or wrongly) be someone willing to pay. Businesses are not stupid, the recognise this and seek to increase their profits.

I understand that, but why have the unions/associations allowed the fees to be so high?

Just because the drivers are doing well out of a station rank shouldn't mean they have to wet the beak of a bus firm.

Or are the unions/association getting back-handers?

Leave the conspirancy theories to me Suspect me auld fruit :roll:

Unions have no involvement up here in such things and the "driver associations" that do are, or where more like driver co-operatives ............ so talk of back handers is as wide of the mark as allegations that JD is a real taxi driver.

You see all driver groups are different ................. some exist to trade and others exist to represent .................. although obviously some do both.

It nice to see that the easy answer is accepted ..................... lets blame anyone other than ourselves ....................... oh look there is a group of "others" lets attack them.

B. Lucky

GA · **Posted:** Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:25 pm

Sussex wrote:

GA wrote:

National Express won for one reason and one reason only ............... if the HC trade hadn't agreed to the terms then a PH operator would have.

Is the rank out of sight of the main road then?

No but the number of Berwick HC plates working in Newcastle should really have been taken into consideration before you made that reply?

B. Lucky

GA · **Posted:** Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:02 pm

Skull wrote:

GA wrote:

I believe the story was covered on here Sussex.

Quote:

The richard from Scotland doesn't seem to realise that station permits are in demand .............. and because of that demand command a premium.

Permits are an invention to get drivers to pay for what was once free at source. No one owns the public. Not even National Express. Customer "Demand" is met by a restricted number of taxis available to service the public. Permits then sell for an artificial premium due to the artificial public demand for taxis created by National Express i.e. a restrictive service - punters forced to queue.

Quote:

Now in his idealistic world everyone would get everything for nothing, which is a fine principle to have, even though its not workable at any level.

You don't pay a private company to sell your services to a free public- that's why you pay a licence fee.

What a Turkey!

Quote:

I don't see the richard from Scotland complaining about the fees charged by PH offices, all of which are signifigantly more expensive than the cost of a station or airport permit ......................... so his complaint is nothing more than bluff and bluster.

What the feck are you on about now :roll:

The fact is that if a station permit didn't provide the holder with a steady stream of work and therefore income, the permit would not be worth what they are ............................ but because more income is generated by paying for a permit there will always (rightly or wrongly) be someone willing to pay. Businesses are not stupid, the recognise this and seek to increase their profits.

B. Lucky

"The fact is" taxi drivers are being ripped off simply because they haven't the brains to work out that clowns like you are selling them down the river. :roll:

So many things happen differently and under different legislation in London .................... and although I agree that the drivers there would stand together in sufficiant numbers to fight something like this I have to add that many accounts from London firms are conducted via the tendering process ..................... so the stations may not be but may other sourses of work will be.

B. Lucky :roll:

Sussex · **Posted:** Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:25 pm

GA wrote:

No but the number of Berwick HC plates working in Newcastle should really have been taken into consideration before you made that reply?

Nothing to do with Berwick at all.

If PH are ranked up on a station forecourt in full view of the public, then that plying for hire, as per Eastbourne.

And the only reason Watford happened was due to the PH cars being empty of drivers on the rank. Can you see this happening at Newcastle station?

cabbyman · **Posted:** Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:06 pm

Sussex wrote:

GA wrote:

No but the number of Berwick HC plates working in Newcastle should really have been taken into consideration before you made that reply?

Nothing to do with Berwick at all.

If PH are ranked up on a station forecourt in full view of the public, then that plying for hire, as per Eastbourne.

And the only reason Watford happened was due to the PH cars being empty of drivers on the rank. Can you see this happening at Newcastle station?

I think I've missed that, Sussex.

Would you kindly give me a brief resume of Eastbourne and Watford. I think our friends up the road at Southampton Airport could be a bit sus if your answer contains what I think it might!! Many thanks.

Sussex · **Posted:** Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:49 pm

cabbyman wrote:

I think I've missed that, Sussex.

Would you kindly give me a brief resume of Eastbourne and Watford. I think our friends up the road at Southampton Airport could be a bit sus if your answer contains what I think it might!! Many thanks.

This is the Eastbourne Judgment.

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2000/410.html

These are a couple of the threads that might make it clearer.

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... php?t=3939

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... php?t=6685

As for Watford these might help. :roll:

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/watford.htm

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=424

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... php?t=1127

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... php?t=1133

And if you really want to see how much cab drivers dislike one another then read this thread from the past. ](*,)

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=361

cabbyman · **Posted:** Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:59 pm

I'm obliged to you, Sussex.

A case cited in the Eastbourne case actually answers my query. It would appear that I was in error perceiving a ranking problem at Southampton Airport.

Many thanks.

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