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Fae Fife, I take it you have not read the best practice guidance also, under vehicles it states that saloons and any other vehicle can be licenced


Is the best practice guidance that of the Scottish Government ?

If so, could you provide a link please ?


http://www.scotland.gov.uk/publications ... 18120453/0

I sent your council a copy in an email :wink: :wink:


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I haven't read the whole judgement, but I can't see anything that has changed my opinion and indeed that which prevailed among lawyers, councils, the Scottish Executive and anyone else who had an opinion on the matter - ie, the SofS's powers in the legislation regarding accessability are non-mandatory unless he takes action and that in the meantime there's nothing to stop councils doing their own thing in this regard.
It is not for anyone to show that Councils don't have this power, It is for councils to show that they do. They cannot just assume that they can do what they want and assume powers that they don't have.
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At the very least the implications of the judgment are certainly not what was intended by the legislators,
Who knows what was intended by the legislators when they drafted the act? Certainly not WAV vehicles, they weren't around at the time.
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In effect, what Parliament appears to be saying in Section 20(2A) is that notwithstanding the generality of para 5 of Schedule I to the 1982 Act, it is for the Secretary of State by way of regulation and not for the individual Licensing Authority by way of conditions to make provision for the carrying in taxis of disabled persons. While I can empathise with Renfrewshire Council's intentions in introducing its policy I would have come to the view that it hs no power so to do.
What matters is what the Government which made the legislation intended, not what the current Goverment would like it to mean. They can always change the legislation if they want to.

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What matters is what the Government which made the legislation intended, not what the current Goverment would like it to mean.


Yes, but if the legislators had intended to be prescriptive about what can be licensed as a taxi then the legislation would have said so, but instead it effectively silent on vehicle conditions, leaving it to each council to introduce its own policies, subject of course to scrutiny by the courts and the usual principles of local government administrative law.

You say that WAVs didn't exist when the legislation was passed, but you might as well say that the Ford Mondeo didn't exist either, but of course things evolve, and since there were surely purpose built taxis specified when the legislation was introduced then in that context the evolution to a WAV doesn't seem radical, thus to my mind I couldn't really see a court knocking down a council's decision to specify WAVs, particularly given the DDA and the anti-discrimination ethos generally.

I can't see that the introduction of section 20(2A) changes things either, because AFAIK the whole DDA business is about giving central government the power to make provision for compulsory WAVs rather than stopping councils from introducing WAVs while waiting for central govt to act, although clearly the sheriff disagreed with that in this case.


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Yes, and you can be sure that if the case leads to the withdrawal of WAVs then legislation will be passed quicker than you can say 'gesture politics'.


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http://www.scotland.gov.uk/publications/2007/12/18120453/0


The only problem with that link "FF" is that apart from the section on "quantity controls" it is an exact copy of the English and Welsh version of the best practice, therefore the document is not original but a mere copy.

I think we should examine not only the legislation but also those in the Scottish executive who have been given the task of overseeing Taxi licensing.

It is plain to me that the section relating to "vehicles" in the 1982 act is quite clear and from what we now know it was also clear to the Sheriff.

Obviously it is not so clear to those politicians in the Scottish executive who oversee Taxi licensing. If it was, then they certainly wouldn't have produced a carbon copy of the English best practice reasoning when Scottish law is entirely different.

It’s alright copying something if what you are copying mirrors the legislation that applies in the country from which the passages are copied. In the case of Scotland that was not the case.

The Scottish executive "assumed" that English legislation was the same as there's and the reason for that is because they didn't have a clue what provisions the 1982 act contained, in respect of vehicle licensing?

They were under the "impression" that because councils had always decided on what type of vehicle they would license then that was accepted lawfull practice. It appears to me that they didn't understand the legislation, only the fact that since 1982 rightly or wrongly councils had always decided their own policy on vehicle criteria.

One of the reasons why they probably didn't understand the law was the fact that the Legislation was enacted in the Palace of Westminster and not in modern day Scotland. In other words the legislation was inherited and somewhat dated in consideration of legislation enacted through the Scottish Parliament.

In short we have a group of mediocre, lazy politicians and civil servants who thought it easier to copy all of the English best practice excepting the sections relating to Quantity controls.

If it was your intention to justify the link as being the legitimate aims of parliament to bestow a power on councils that gave them the right to decide what shall be licensed as taxis, then I think it falls short of originality. All references in the Scottish best practice including this one are near carbon copies of the English version. The only noticeable difference is the reference to “quantity controls”.

I might add I did actually mention this several weeks ago.

I understand a Mr Macaskill SMP is a leading light in the Scottish Taxi Governmental administration? I have to say I questioned his observations on the Dublin scenario which he completely falsified and which was published in a Scottish Newspaper. I say falsified but I should add that he just might have been out of his depth regarding the facts? However, it is now a matter of record that he did distort the facts, which does not surprise me in the least considering the position he takes on “Quantity controls”.

The fact remains that the Scottish best practice is not original and as I have already said, "a mere carbon copy of the English version". I don't need to provide any evidence of that because it is a published fact and all anyone has to do is read both documents.

Just for clarity here are the two versions of the sections referring to vehicles.
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Vehicles

Specification Of Vehicle Types That May Be Licensed

18. The legislation gives local authorities a wide range of discretion over the types of vehicle that they can license as taxis or PHVs. Some authorities specify conditions that in practice can only be met by purpose-built vehicles but the majority license a range of vehicles.


19. Normally, the best practice is for local licensing authorities to adopt the principle of specifying as many different types of vehicle as possible. Indeed, local authorities might usefully set down a range of general criteria, leaving it open to the taxi and PHV trades to put forward vehicles of their own choice which can be shown to meet those criteria. In that way there can be flexibility for new vehicle types to be readily taken into account.

20. It is suggested that local licensing authorities should give very careful consideration to a policy which automatically rules out particular types of vehicle or prescribes only one type or a small number of types of vehicle.

For example, the Department believes authorities should be particularly cautious about specifying only purpose-built taxis, with the strict constraint on supply that that implies. (There are at present only two designs of purpose-built taxi.) But of course the purpose-built vehicles are amongst those which a local authority could be expected to license. Similarly, it may be too restrictive to automatically rule out considering Multi-Purpose Vehicles, or to license them for fewer passengers than their seating capacity (provided of course that the capacity of the vehicle is not
more than eight passengers). Imported vehicles: type approval (see also "stretched limousines", paras 26-28 below)

21. It may be that from time to time a local authority will be asked to license as a taxi or PHV a vehicle that has been imported independently (that is, by somebody other than the manufacturer). Such a vehicle might meet the local authority's criteria for licensing, but the local authority may nonetheless be uncertain about the wider rules for foreign vehicles being used in the UK. Such vehicles will be subject to the 'type approval' rules. For passenger cars up to 10 years old at the time of first GB registration, this means meeting the technical standards of either:

�� a European Whole Vehicle Type approval;
�� a British National Type approval; or
�� a British Single Vehicle Approval.

Most registration certificates issued since late 1998 should indicate the approval status of the vehicle. The technical standards applied (and the safety and environmental risks covered) under each of the above are proportionate to the number of vehicles entering service. Further information about these requirements and the procedures for licensing and registering imported vehicles can be seen at http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/d ... 06867.hcsp.

Vehicle Testing

22. There is considerable variation between local licensing authorities on vehicle testing, including the related question of age limits. The following can be regarded as best practice:

�� Frequency Of Tests. The legal requirement is that all taxis should be subject to an MOT test or its equivalent once a year. For PHVs the requirement is for an annual test after the vehicle is three years old. An annual test for licensed vehicles of whatever age (that is, including vehicles that are less than three years old) seems appropriate in most cases, unless local conditions suggest that more frequent tests are necessary. However, more frequent tests may be appropriate for older vehicles (see 'age limits' below). Local licensing authorities may wish to note that a review carried out by the National Society for Cleaner Air in 2005 found that taxis were more likely than other vehicles to fail an emissions test. This finding, perhaps suggests that emissions testing should be carried out on ad hoc basis and more frequently than the full vehicle test.

�� Criteria For Tests. Similarly, for mechanical matters it seems appropriate to apply the same criteria as those for the MOT test to taxis and PHVs*. The MOT test on vehicles first used after 31 March 1987 includes checking of all seat belts. However, taxis and PHVs provide a service to the public, so it is also appropriate to set criteria for the internal condition of the vehicle, though these should not be unreasonably onerous.

*A manual outlining the method of testing and reasons for failure of all MOT tested items can be obtained from the Stationary Office see
http:www.tsoshop.co.uk/bookstore.asp?FO=1159966&Action=Book&From=SearchResults&
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�� Age Limits. It is perfectly possible for an older vehicle to be in good condition. So the setting of an age limit beyond which a local authority will not license vehicles may be arbitrary and inappropriate. But a greater frequency of testing may be appropriate for older vehicles - for example, twice-yearly tests for vehicles more than five years old.

�� Number Of Testing Stations. There is sometimes criticism that local authorities provide only one testing centre for their area (which may be geographically extensive). So it is good practice for local authorities to consider having more than one testing station. There could be an advantage in contracting out the testing work, and to different garages. In that way the licensing authority can benefit from competition in costs. (The Vehicle Operators and Standards Agency - VOSA - may be able to assist where there are local difficulties in provision of testing stations.)

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Scottish version

Specification of vehicle types that may be licensed

22. The legislation gives local authorities a wide range of discretion over the types of vehicle that they can license as taxis or PHCs. Some authorities have adopted criteria as to vehicle specification that in practice can only be met by purpose-built vehicles but the majority license a range of vehicles.


23. Some local licensing authorities adopt the principle of specifying as many different types of vehicle as possible. Such policy could provide greater flexibility in allowing new vehicle types to be considered.

24. Local licensing authorities should be particularly cautious about specifying only purpose-built taxis, with the strict constraint on supply that that implies. (There are at present only two designs of purpose-built taxi.) But of course the purpose-built vehicles are amongst those which a local authority could be expected to license. Similarly, it may be too restrictive to rule out considering Multi-Purpose Vehicles, or to license them for fewer passengers than their seating capacity (provided of course that the capacity of the vehicle is not more than eight passengers).

Imported vehicles: type approval

25. It may be that from time to time a local authority will be asked to license as a taxi or PHC a vehicle that has been imported independently (that is, by somebody other than the manufacturer). Such a vehicle might meet an authority's criteria for licensing, but the licensing authority may nonetheless be uncertain about the wider rules for foreign vehicles being used in the UK. Such vehicles will be subject to the 'type approval' rules. Information about "type approval" and the procedures for licensing and registering imported vehicles can be found on the Department for Transport's website under " EC Whole Vehicle Type Approval" at:- www.dft.gov.uk

Vehicle Testing

26. There is considerable variation between local licensing authorities on vehicle testing, including the related question of age limits. The following can be seen as best practice:

Frequency Of Tests.

The legal requirement for taxis requires that they should be subject to an MOT test or its equivalent one year after first registration and annually thereafter. For private hire cars annual testing should commence after the vehicle is three years old. Notwithstanding MOT regulations, authorities generally undertake inspection of taxis and private hire cars at first licensing and annually or more frequently thereafter. Annual testing for licensed vehicles regardless of age is considered best practice although more frequent testing may be appropriate for older vehicles (see 'age limits' below). Local licensing authorities may wish to note that a review carried out by the National Society for Cleaner Air in 2005 found that taxis were more likely than other vehicles to fail an emissions test. This finding, perhaps suggests that emissions testing should be carried out on an ad hoc basis and more frequently than the full vehicle test.

Criteria For Tests.

Similarly, for mechanical matters it seems appropriate to apply the same criteria as those for the MOT test to taxis and PHCs. The MOT test on vehicles first used after 31 March 1987 includes checking of all seat belts. However, taxis and PHCs provide a service to the public, so it is also appropriate to set criteria for the internal condition of the vehicle, requiring for example the internal passenger accommodation, upholstery and fittings to be maintained in a serviceable condition. Further advice and details of publications about MOT testing can be accessed on the Vehicle & Operator Services Agency ( VOSA) website at:- http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/publications.htm
Age Limits.

The setting of an age limit beyond which a local authority will not license vehicles is somewhat arbitrary and disproportionate particularly as it is perfectly possible for a well-maintained older vehicle to be in good condition. A greater frequency of testing may, however, be appropriate for older vehicles - for example, twice-yearly tests for vehicles more than five years old.

Number Of Testing Stations.

There is sometimes criticism that local authorities provide only one testing centre for their area (which may be geographically extensive). So it is good practice for local authorities to consider having more than one testing station. There could be advantage in contracting out the testing work, and to different garages. In that way the licensing authority can benefit from competition in costs. The Vehicle Operators and Standards Agency - VOSA - may be able to assist where there are local difficulties in provision of testing stations.
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[If it was your intention to justify the link as being the legitimate aims of parliament to bestow a power on councils that gave them the right to decide what shall be licensed as taxis, then I think it falls short of originality.


I'm not really sure what you mean, but I should add that the link to the Best Practice Guidance I posted was merely in response to someone asking for it. :)


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[If it was your intention to justify the link as being the legitimate aims of parliament to bestow a power on councils that gave them the right to decide what shall be licensed as taxis, then I think it falls short of originality.


I'm not really sure what you mean, but I should add that the link to the Best Practice Guidance I posted was merely in response to someone asking for it. :)


I beg your pardon and in return please accept my apologies, I must have misinterpreted something I read in another post. I was under the impression the link was to justify a councils position in deciding what not to license by virtue of the fact that the best practice guidance infers they have that right.

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Dear Mr Stevenson

DISABILITY DISCRIMINATION ACT 1995
ACCESSIBLE TAXIS

As Convenor of the Council’s Licensing Committee, I am writing to you to express our concerns as to perceived unwillingness by the previous Scottish Government to make policy decisions on the introduction of wheelchair accessible taxis under the above Act. Although these are complex issues which require careful consideration and full discussion, some progress has been made in England and Wales. In the absence of any discussions, the Scottish Government has merely encouraged Scottish local authorities to adopt their own policies. There is a limit on what can be achieved at a local level within the terms of the existing legislation. There are some areas of the country where there are few, if any, wheelchair accessible taxis. Even in areas where there are wheelchair accessible taxis, disabled passengers can still encounter difficulties.

We would therefore urge the Scottish Government take steps to address these issues without delay.

(1) Disability Discrimination Act 1995

Sections 32 to 38 of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 placed legal duties on taxi drivers in England and Wales to assist passengers in wheelchairs into and out of their taxis. The Minister of Transport for England and Wales was also given powers to make regulations as to the technical specifications for wheelchair accessible taxis and require taxis in any designated English or Welsh Local Authority to be wheelchair accessible.

UK-wide consultations took place in the late 1990’s on the technical specifications for accessible taxis, but regulations were not published. In 2003, the Minister for Transport for England and Wales announced that all taxis in certain local authorities in England and Wales would require to be wheelchair accessible over a 10 year period, commencing in 2010. It was intended that the technical regulations would be issued in good time to allow vehicle manufacturers and modifiers to design and construct suitable vehicles.

The regulations have yet to be issued, even in draft form. Concerns as to the delay in issuing these regulations were expressed at the Disabled Persons Transport Advisory Committee (DPTAC) at its meeting on 7th June 2007. Recent articles in the taxi trade press have claimed that the Minister is reconsidering the policy of requiring all taxis to be wheelchair accessible. It is suggested that it may be preferable to have “mixed” taxi fleets with saloon cars and accessible taxis and that these matters might be better addressed by incentives and encouragement, rather then by government regulation.

(2) Position in Scotland

As taxi licensing law is different in Scotland and Sections 32 to 38 of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 do not apply. Section 39 allows the Secretary of State for Scotland, and now the Scottish Government, to make regulations under the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982 to address these issues. Apart from provisions relating to the carriage of guide dogs in taxis and private hire cars, no regulations have been made.

I attach copies of correspondence with the Executive on this topic since 2003. The Scottish Executive had indicated that it proposed to adopt a different approach from that announced in England and Wales, and would consult once the Department of Transport issued technical regulations.

(3) Other Developments

Aberdeen City Council Licensing Committee has followed encouragement from government to use the powers already available to it to increase the number of wheelchair accessible taxis in Aberdeen. Section 3 of the Disability Discrimination Act 2005 has since required all Councils to adopt policies which will minimise discrimination against persons with disability and promote equality of opportunity and encourage participation by disabled persons in society. Limited access to suitable and economic transportation is a major factor in discrimination.

In 2004, the Local Government and Transport Committee considered a Petition (PE 568) from The Scottish Accessible Transport Alliance (SATA) that the Executive should encourage local authorities to have one half of their taxi fleets fully accessible (without suggesting a mechanism to determine which taxi licence holders had to operate such vehicles). SATA were advised to contribute to the Department of Transport’s consultation on the specification for accessible taxis.

In November 2004, a Task Group appointed by the Executive provided a report with various recommendations for review of the licensing provisions of the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982. The topics covered did not include taxi accessibility issues. No proposals have been made as to the implementation of any of the recommendations.

(4) Practical Difficulties with Existing Scottish Legislation

As has been highlighted previously in 2005, taxi licensing legislation in Scotland makes it difficult for Councils to introduce appropriate policies to accommodate the transportation of disabled persons in wheelchairs.

For example –

(a) Training for Taxi Drivers It would not be unreasonable to expect that councils should be able to insist that all taxi drivers are appropriately trained in the loading and unloading of passengers in wheelchairs. The legal advice that we have received is that Section 13 (5) of the 1982 Act does entitle Councils to require applicants for the grant of taxi drivers licences to take a test on matters relating to the operation of a taxi as the Council considers desirable. This could include knowledge on how to load and unload passengers and wheelchairs. There is, however, no provision for Councils to insist that taxi drivers applying for the renewal of licences can be required to undertake similar tests.

The 1982 Act also requires Councils to renew a taxi driver licence unless it is has grounds for refusal. The onus is therefore on the Council to establish a driver’s unfitness, rather than for the driver to prove his fitness. Accordingly, the legal advice that we have received is that, if the Council tried to refuse to renew a taxi driver’s licence, merely because they had not passed a training course, the Sheriff Court on appeal would strike down such a decision.

I have been advised that this contrasts with the position for Hackney Drivers in England and Wales. Hackney Drivers apply for the grant of their licences every three years. There are no renewals, as such. Section 59 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 states that Councils shall not grant a hackney carriage driver licence unless they are satisfied the driver is a fit and proper person. This provides more scope for English and Welsh councils to insist that all existing Hackney carriage drivers are appropriately trained in the loading and unloading of disabled passengers.

(b) Insurance Cover Councils in Scotland cannot grant a taxi operator a licence unless the vehicle is covered by the minimum level of 3rd party liability road insurance. We have been advised that this would not cover any claim that arose if a passenger in a wheelchair was injured whilst being assisted into or out of the taxi by the driver. Taxi drivers are therefore encouraged to have appropriate insurance cover to cover this eventuality. We have been advised that a licence condition requiring a taxi operator to hold such cover would not be sustainable under the present legislation.

(5) Necessity for discussions

The above are merely an example of the type of issues that require to be considered.

Members of our Licensing Committee are disappointed in the lack of progress in this area. It is appreciated that developments in England and Wales are relevant as to the types of accessible taxis that are required. It would be inappropriate for the Scottish Government to require different technical specifications for accessible taxis than England. The technical regulations on the design of accessible taxis are important but there are a wide range of other related issues that can be discussed now. There has been no movement in this area since the late 1990’s and this has resulted in Councils in Scotland adopting a wide range of policies and practices. Disabled and elderly people ought to have the same access to suitable taxis throughout the country.

We would therefore suggest that it would be of benefit if the Scottish Government were to establish a national Working Group, involving all Councils, disabled and taxi trade representatives to look at all of these issues.

I look forward to hearing from you.

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Councillor Callum McCaig
Convenor Licensing Committee


Nice letter or just fishing :?: :?:

Look at the date sent about a week before the best practice was issued but now he should have the answers


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You say that WAVs didn't exist when the legislation was passed, but you might as well say that the Ford Mondeo didn't exist either,


I don't know of a council in Scotland (or anywhere else) that demands only Ford Mondeo's are licensed.

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You say that WAVs didn't exist when the legislation was passed, but you might as well say that the Ford Mondeo didn't exist either,


I don't know of a council in Scotland (or anywhere else) that demands only Ford Mondeo's are licensed.


But obviously my point wasn't that some councils will only licence Mondeos, but that vehicle standards and attributes evolve over time and given the discretion inherent in the legislation and the ethos surrounding accessability then it's hardly surprising that some councils have evolved policies regarding WAVs and that these should be upheld in a court of law, ignoring the current case.

For example, some councils now require meters which change the tariff automatically as required, but would this technology have been available in the early eighties, and would any court strike out such a requirement just because it wasn't available?


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Fae Fife wrote:
You say that WAVs didn't exist when the legislation was passed, but you might as well say that the Ford Mondeo didn't exist either,


I don't know of a council in Scotland (or anywhere else) that demands only Ford Mondeo's are licensed.


But obviously my point wasn't that some councils will only licence Mondeos, but that vehicle standards and attributes evolve over time and given the discretion inherent in the legislation and the ethos surrounding accessability then it's hardly surprising that some councils have evolved policies regarding WAVs and that these should be upheld in a court of law, ignoring the current case.

For example, some councils now require meters which change the tariff automatically as required, but would this technology have been available in the early eighties, and would any court strike out such a requirement just because it wasn't available?


I think the whole point about setting conditions is do those making conditions have the legal right to make them? The whole point in the Renfewshire case was that the council didn't have the legal right to make conditions in respect of deciding what can and what cannot be licensed.

I think you would be the first to agree that councillors powers to set conditions is not a totally carte blanche provision and the powers can only relate to what parliament has given them. The case of the second hand motor trader explained that more than adequitely.

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I think you would be the first to agree that councillors powers to set conditions is not a totally carte blanche provision and the powers can only relate to what parliament has given them. The case of the second hand motor trader explained that more than adequitely.



Yes, I would agree, but at the end of the day councils clearly have some discretion in the matter and my point is that in the current climate a WAV condition doesn't seem unreasonable, in the legal sense at least.

Their Lordships in the James Wilson case clearly didn't bat an eyelid at the WAV principle, and to that my opinion above is vindicated.


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Found this draft Dundee City Council document:

http://www.dundeecity.gov.uk/dundeecity ... n_1071.doc

The most interesting bits are as follows:

Aberdeen City Council operate a similar policy to that in Dundee and were recently the subject of a challenge from an operator of an accessible vehicle who wished to substitute a saloon car onto his licence. The Licensing Committee refused the request and he appealed to the Sheriff, arguing that it was unfair that he had to operate a more expensive vehicle. The Sheriff refused the appeal. She said that the operator was well aware of the accessibility requirement when he applied for his licence in the first place. However, the Sheriff went on to say that the proper way to eradicate any perceived unfairness was to require the operators of saloon cars to place accessible vehicles on service. The Sheriff's decision was appealed to the Court of Session and the appeal was heard on 20 December 2007. In its judgement, the Court of Session upheld the Sheriff's decision, saying that "we cannot be other than sympathetic to a policy which in the end, we accept, envisages that the whole taxi fleet in the Aberdeen area will be wheelchair accessible as, indeed, has already been achieved in other local authority areas within Scotland."

Another case of relevance currently being considered by the courts is Thomas Sneddon -v- Renfrewshire Council. The policy of the local authority in that case was that, in addition to all new licensed taxis requiring to be wheelchair accessible, the existing saloon car operators required to convert to accessible vehicles when their licences fell to be renewed after 31 December 2003. Mr Sneddon wished to continue operating a saloon car. However, the Council found no reason to depart from its policy and refused to renew his Taxi Licence. Mr Sneddon appealed to the Sheriff, who granted the appeal and ordered that the application be remitted to the Council for reconsideration. The reasons for the appeal being successful related to certain procedural irregularities perceived by the Sheriff in the way in which the application had been handled by the Council committee and that there had been a breach of natural justice. However, the Sheriff then went on to record his views on the legality of the Council's policy, although these did not form part of his reasons for granting the appeal. He accepted an argument put forward by Counsel for Mr Sneddon that, because Section 20(2A) of the 1982 Act allows Scottish Ministers to introduce regulations for the provision of accessible vehicles, this meant that local authorities could not seek to rely upon Section 10(2) to introduce their own policy. Equally, the Sheriff did not think that local authorities could implement any such policy by attaching conditions to licences. Renfrewshire Council have appealed to the Court of Session, although it will be several months before this is heard.

In light of the judgement in the Aberdeen case, it is likely that the Sheriff's reasoning in Sneddon will not be supported by the Court of Session, at least insofar as relating to the legality of a local authority adopting its own policy requiring accessible vehicles where there are no national regulations to that effect. The judgement in Sneddon is not, therefore a legal barrier to the adoption of an accessible vehicle policy

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Fae Fife wrote:
Found this draft Dundee City Council document:

http://www.dundeecity.gov.uk/dundeecity ... n_1071.doc

The most interesting bits are as follows:

Aberdeen City Council operate a similar policy to that in Dundee and were recently the subject of a challenge from an operator of an accessible vehicle who wished to substitute a saloon car onto his licence. The Licensing Committee refused the request and he appealed to the Sheriff, arguing that it was unfair that he had to operate a more expensive vehicle. The Sheriff refused the appeal. She said that the operator was well aware of the accessibility requirement when he applied for his licence in the first place. However, the Sheriff went on to say that the proper way to eradicate any perceived unfairness was to require the operators of saloon cars to place accessible vehicles on service. The Sheriff's decision was appealed to the Court of Session and the appeal was heard on 20 December 2007. In its judgement, the Court of Session upheld the Sheriff's decision, saying that "we cannot be other than sympathetic to a policy which in the end, we accept, envisages that the whole taxi fleet in the Aberdeen area will be wheelchair accessible as, indeed, has already been achieved in other local authority areas within Scotland."

Another case of relevance currently being considered by the courts is Thomas Sneddon -v- Renfrewshire Council. The policy of the local authority in that case was that, in addition to all new licensed taxis requiring to be wheelchair accessible, the existing saloon car operators required to convert to accessible vehicles when their licences fell to be renewed after 31 December 2003. Mr Sneddon wished to continue operating a saloon car. However, the Council found no reason to depart from its policy and refused to renew his Taxi Licence. Mr Sneddon appealed to the Sheriff, who granted the appeal and ordered that the application be remitted to the Council for reconsideration. The reasons for the appeal being successful related to certain procedural irregularities perceived by the Sheriff in the way in which the application had been handled by the Council committee and that there had been a breach of natural justice. However, the Sheriff then went on to record his views on the legality of the Council's policy, although these did not form part of his reasons for granting the appeal. He accepted an argument put forward by Counsel for Mr Sneddon that, because Section 20(2A) of the 1982 Act allows Scottish Ministers to introduce regulations for the provision of accessible vehicles, this meant that local authorities could not seek to rely upon Section 10(2) to introduce their own policy. Equally, the Sheriff did not think that local authorities could implement any such policy by attaching conditions to licences. Renfrewshire Council have appealed to the Court of Session, although it will be several months before this is heard.

In light of the judgement in the Aberdeen case, it is likely that the Sheriff's reasoning in Sneddon will not be supported by the Court of Session, at least insofar as relating to the legality of a local authority adopting its own policy requiring accessible vehicles where there are no national regulations to that effect. The judgement in Sneddon is not, therefore a legal barrier to the adoption of an accessible vehicle policy

At least someone seems to agree with me :D


The Wilson team never questioned whether it was within the powers of Aberdeen City Council to adopt their policy, only whether the policy was reasonable. Their Lordships were also never asked to consider this since everyone at the time assumed the council were within their powers. The Sneddon case (appeal scheduled for next February) first brought to light the scenario that only the Secretary of State for Scotland has the powers under the 1982 act to say what can or cannot be a taxi. I believe the Sheriff in the recent Dundee case concurred with his Renfrewshire colleague on this.

Have we heard if Dundee plan to appeal?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:02 am 
DCC lodged their appeal with the Court of Session. I have written verification of this from DDC's legal eagles.


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