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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:40 pm 
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What else do you have in your area that is privately owned ie. airport


Pretty much all of the huge Goodwood estate (motor racing circuit, horse racing, small air field etc. I would include large supermarkets, hotels etc as well.

If a judgment could be made on the issue I strongly feel a legal precedent may help elsewhere in the country.
So anybody can ply for hire at all these locations... if not why

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Have you tried joining a bigger organisation i.e. NTA/T&G/GMB?


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The NTA is a no go, as the local TA operates a (VERY) closed shop. The others have been considered, but I think it would be a little mercenary of me to join, and then expect action to be taken from the off after joining - if that makes sense. If there are any reps out there that would consider helping us I will gladly join up.


Hi Doc G,

I'm just along ther road from you, it might be good to have a chat. Send me an email with your mobile number and I will call you.

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My sincere apologies, Doc. I didn't see 'next' in the bottom right hand corner.

'For Havant....It makes sense to use a local car...'

Havant is a totally different licencing authority. Anyone have ideas of how that can be used?

Some way of lifting this to court or changing the cttees mind must be found. That report is a total mess and misrepresents the law, IMHO.


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Some way of lifting this to court or changing the cttees mind must be found. That report is a total mess and misrepresents the law, IMHO.


I totally agree - this is a total - INSERT APPROPRIATE WORD - up!!

I think the council have made blunder after blunder, and are now trying to duck their responsibilities anyhow they can.


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For Havant....It makes sense to use a local car...'


Which would be an unbooked vehicle anyway (like the Arun Hackneys and PH), plying for Hire (like the Arun Hackneys and PH), who also, incidentally rip people off wholesale as well as cherry picking etc.

I wonder when operating out of district becomes a problem for this council - I know if I tried it in Portsmouth (another adjoining district) I would be found facing face down in the Solent with a hole in the back of my head the following morning!!!


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And just next door to Portsmouth [to the west] you'd have me to deal with!!!!


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Doc G wrote:
The NTA is a no go, as the local TA operates a (VERY) closed shop. The others have been considered, but I think it would be a little mercenary of me to join, and then expect action to be taken from the off after joining - if that makes sense. If there are any reps out there that would consider helping us I will gladly join up.

It's for you to decide, but I have a feeling at least one of the rest would quite like the challenge. :roll:

That said, maybe the Captain could explain why the local TOA, who it would appear are members of the NTA, don't want to help you out. :?

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That is the crunch - the Council have pontificated, and insist that they are adhering to the law, so would the ombudsman look into the law, or simply listen to the councils case, and do squat??

If you present the facts in an orderly manner to the ombudsman it could work. Worst case scenario it will cost you the price of a stamp.

What I would do in your case is print off the operating condition your manor has, copy any correspondence you have which says they are not checking bookings, or are happy with the fact that PH don't need a legal booking at the venue, and post it.

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or are happy with the fact that PH don't need a legal booking at the venue, and post it.


Please read section 5 of the enclosed link, I think it says this plainly.


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That said, maybe the Captain could explain why the local TOA, who it would appear are members of the NTA, don't want to help you out.



As for the local TDA, they are only concerned with "Station Taxis", which is in effect the same thing as the TDA locally, and are only further their own ends. It will not be a surprise that only one of the works nights!

Speak a bit later - I am going out to earn my rent!

Thanks for the interest thus far gents.

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The NTA is a no go, as the local TA operates a (VERY) closed shop. The others have been considered, but I think it would be a little mercenary of me to join, and then expect action to be taken from the off after joining - if that makes sense. If there are any reps out there that would consider helping us I will gladly join up.

It's for you to decide, but I have a feeling at least one of the rest would quite like the challenge. :roll:

That said, maybe the Captain could explain why the local TOA, who it would appear are members of the NTA, don't want to help you out. :?


If he isnt a member and hasnt brought it to the attention of the local association what are they supposed to do?

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The report mainly deals with the plying issue, and the touting issue. I think we are agreed that the venue is miles from a public street thus a prosecution under the 1847 or the 1994 acts are slim.

But the council has their own rules, under the 1976 act, that they are not adhering too. I just wish I could get a copy on the net. :-s

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If he isnt a member and hasnt brought it to the attention of the local association what are they supposed to do?


With the utmost respect to you, after repeated attempts, if they will not let myself and many others join their self-interested local association "club" then, by default we had no voice.

We therefore got ourselves organised and formed the "Alliance" and are fighting as best we can ourselves, helped in no small part by you guys on this forum. We outnumber the LTA at least 4:1 now, and have the ear of the council - even if they choose their present path.

Other than the NTA, I was unaware, until recently, that there any other bodies we could join, and as I said previously, it would seem hypercritical to join one now, at such a late stage, just to avail ourselves of legal support - which I do agree we badly need.

If support is offered then I will snatch their hand off in an instant!


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The report mainly deals with the plying issue, and the touting issue. I think we are agreed that the venue is miles from a public street thus a prosecution under the 1847 or the 1994 acts are slim.


"Miles from a public street" is a bit of an exaggeration!!, the furthest point of the queue is only some 80m max from a road (Drayton Lane) and all vehicles are clearly visible along the length of the drive, and the situation is so bad that they occationally overspill into the road itself.

Clearly they are putting themselves in public view, are inviting the public to open negotiations - plying for hire if not touting.

Even with that in mind, I was under the impression that PH cannot ply for hire in any event, private land or not, and this had been to court (was it LTDA v Tesco??), and I cannot see why a prosecution of some sort is possible.

Out of area Hacks, by definition, also have to be booked to operate - surely??? At this venue they are plying again, or am I missing the point here??

Our illuminated illustrious council is in effect saying that any Hackney Carriage, or Private Hire vehicle, licensed from any area in the country, unbooked, can come to this venue, join a "taxi" queue, negotiate the job with an unknown person, and act with impunity.

I wonder where else in the country this could happen :-|


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But the council has their own rules, under the 1976 act, that they are not adhering too. I just wish I could get a copy on the net.


Do you mean the act itself, or those bits applicable to my own council? I may be able to locate either or both, if it would help.


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If he isnt a member and hasnt brought it to the attention of the local association what are they supposed to do?


With the utmost respect to you, after repeated attempts, if they will not let myself and many others join their self-interested local association "club" then, by default we had no voice.

We therefore got ourselves organised and formed the "Alliance" and are fighting as best we can ourselves, helped in no small part by you guys on this forum. We outnumber the LTA at least 4:1 now, and have the ear of the council - even if they choose their present path.

Other than the NTA, I was unaware, until recently, that there any other bodies we could join, and as I said previously, it would seem hypercritical to join one now, at such a late stage, just to avail ourselves of legal support - which I do agree we badly need.

If support is offered then I will snatch their hand off in an instant!


Ok no problem....just wanted to make sure the NTA werent involved....and havent been asked.

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