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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:03 am 
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Noticed that Mary Dowdy has taken to running the show, has Ed Thompson not got the bottle to put stops on 600 cabs.
She say's she has done this in the interest of safety, before anyone gets hurt.
Shame she hasn't taken action to get the death crates, or rickshaws as some call them, taken off our streets, in the interest of safety.


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LTI has been unable to confirm that these taxis are safe to use and fit for purpose as licensed London taxis, even after inspection at Mann and Overton.


I would like to draw everyones attention to the words "fit for purpose." TX4 Owners and Bob Oddey of the LTDA should take particular note of LTI's admission that the vehicle "is not fit for purpose."

In consumer law this is one of the most powerful avenues of gaining a default victory in compensatory renumeration by default. Anyone wishing to go down the road of compensation would be wise to write to those at this meeting especially the PCO, asking them to confirm the "fit for purpose statement" by LTI. The very fact that the prohibition was put in place on the basis of that statement is probably enough but getting it in writing is an added weapon in your arsenal.

Anyone "anywhere in the country" who knows any owner of these type of vehicles should advise them of the importance of this recent LTI admission.

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Sussex wrote:
LTI has been unable to confirm that these taxis are safe to use and fit for purpose as licensed London taxis, even after inspection at Mann and Overton.


I would like to draw everyones attention to the words "fit for purpose." TX4 Owners and Bob Oddey of the LTDA should take particular note of LTI's admission that the vehicle "is not fit for purpose."

In consumer law this is one of the most powerful avenues of gaining a default victory in compensatory renumeration by default. Anyone wishing to go down the road of compensation would be wise to write to those at this meeting especially the PCO, asking them to confirm the "fit for purpose statement" by LTI. The very fact that the prohibition was put in place on the basis of that statement is probably enough but getting it in writing is an added weapon in your arsenal.

Anyone "anywhere in the country" who knows any owner of these type of vehicles should advise them of the importance of this recent LTI admission.


I appreciate your advice for 'Belt & Braces' evidence & you're right in giving that advice. But isn't the fact that this wording is in an official PCO Notice enough?

As I see it, the scenario is as follows;

The PCO notice has stated, 'LTI has been unable to confirm that these taxis are safe to use and fit for purpose as licensed London taxis, even after inspection at Mann and Overton.'

Now, if LTI do not agree with the PCO that this is in fact the case, they must sue the PCO in a court of law for defamation, libel, whatever.

If they do not sue the PCO, then is that not tantamount to LTI agreeing with the PCO statement, & 'de facto' accepting what has been written by the PCO.

IMO, the important point at the moment is to be toatlly sure that LTI have seen & had a copy of this notice, so that at a future date they could not use the defence that they never saw this PCO notice.

Someone should hand-deliver a copy of one of these PCO notices to their Head Office, or send one Recorded Delivery.

I don't trust those Ba**ards!

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JD wrote:
Sussex wrote:
LTI has been unable to confirm that these taxis are safe to use and fit for purpose as licensed London taxis, even after inspection at Mann and Overton.


I would like to draw everyones attention to the words "fit for purpose." TX4 Owners and Bob Oddey of the LTDA should take particular note of LTI's admission that the vehicle "is not fit for purpose."

In consumer law this is one of the most powerful avenues of gaining a default victory in compensatory renumeration by default. Anyone wishing to go down the road of compensation would be wise to write to those at this meeting especially the PCO, asking them to confirm the "fit for purpose statement" by LTI. The very fact that the prohibition was put in place on the basis of that statement is probably enough but getting it in writing is an added weapon in your arsenal.

Anyone "anywhere in the country" who knows any owner of these type of vehicles should advise them of the importance of this recent LTI admission.

Regards

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If the PCO have it in writing from LTI that either these cabs are "unfit for purpose" or that LTI cannot confirm they are "fit for purpose", then LTI won't have a leg to stand on.

I have to doubt if LTI's lawyers would have allowed them to make such a statement but stranger things have happened.

If this is the opinion of the PCO without such an admission, then it is an opinion only. LTI could disagree with it without actually starting legal proceedings they would be likely to lose. Not sueing the PCO can't just be taken as an admission.

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Surely the sellers of 56 plate TX4s are 'in breach of contract'.?
They have sold a vehicle for use as a taxi but the licensing authority has suspended their licence to hire.

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Surely the sellers of 56 plate TX4s are 'in breach of contract'.?
They have sold a vehicle for use as a taxi but the licensing authority has suspended their licence to hire.


That would depend on the contract terms.
Watch out for the small print.

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As, according to Mary Dowdye, LTI has been unable to confirm that these taxis are safe to use and are not fit for purpose, then surely, under the drivers statutory rights and the sale of goods act, they should be entitled to a full refund. Not just compensation


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Is a 56 plate TX4 licensed as a taxi?
If the PCO says no (or in practice suspends the licence),surely that decides whether the 56 plate TX4 you have bought is in breach of contact.

You have bought a TX4 for taxi work but the licensing authority has suspended it's right to be licensed as a taxi.
As this is not the owners' fault,they are entitled to a full refund (what else can you do with an unlicensed TX4?).

Don't use the LTDA,T&G (or what ever they call themselves) both are too close to the LTI/PCO.
Exercise your rights has a consumer not as a taxi owner.
Contact your MP,C.A.B or the media,Evening Standard,You and Yours (Radio4).
Visit http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/before ... bout/cars/
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http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/shoppi ... xchan#shop
These are just two of the many websites offering advice to consumers.

Kick up a stink.You are right and the problem is with LTI/PCO.Don't let them divide and rule as usual.

Remember LTI/PCO do not want bad publicity or even a court case,but might be in your interest.

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Capt Taxi wrote:
Exercise your rights has a consumer not as a taxi owner.

Contact ..... Evening Standard, You and Yours (Radio4).

Kick up a stink.You are right and the problem is with LTI/PCO. Don't let them divide and rule as usual.

Remember LTI/PCO do not want bad publicity or even a court case,but might be in your interest.


Get organised with ALL TX4 owners using one top solicitor to act for you in a joint litigation. An action like this which is properly organised & managed costs the individual an affordable sum & will probably bring the best results.

Get the fact that you are taking legal action in the press!!

One of the best ways is by build up an extensive email contact list of major newspapers, news agencies & radio & TV contacts.

Then email the lot!!

The sh*t will hit the fan & stick, I promise you!!

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Why only suspend the 56 range and the 07s shurly if one lot is affected, they all are
The first thing I would be doing if I was unfortunate to own a TX4 is have the automatic central locking disconnected, as a safety precaution so passengers could get out


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Why only suspend the 56 range and the 07s shurly if one lot is affected, they all are.

I couldn't agree more.

If the fault only effects 56 reg TX4s, then surely they must know what the fault is as a 07 or 57 TX4 must have a different set up.

But I suspect the set up is the same, it's just that bits of 56 regs TX4s have started to wear out as they are the oldest of the fleet. :sad:

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Sussex wrote:
But I suspect the set up is the same, it's just that bits of 56 regs TX4s have started to wear out as they are the oldest of the fleet. :sad:


My thoughts as well.
If they know whats going wrong and can be certain that only 56 reg models have the fault, they would know what it is and be able to fix it.

They don't know what the problem so they can't fix it.
There is no way they can say with certainty that the same is not going to happen to 07 57 or 08 reg cabs as well.
Same goes for the brand new 58 reg if they are the same design.

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Mary Dowdye said;
For the safety of passengers, drivers and other road users, the licences for all ‘56’ registered TX4 taxis are suspended under the London Cab Order 1934, and related legislation, with immediate effect.

Owners and drivers of these taxis (TX4s with vehicle registrations in ‘56’ range) must not use these vehicles in passenger service until further notice

Did anyone at the PCO think to make sure they informed all the 600 or so 56 plate owners.
Or have these drivers stupidly decided to disregard this directive.
If they work these taxis after they have been given a stop they are illegally touting and driving whilst uninsured. I dread to think what they may be charged with if there is a fire and a passenger, pedestrian or other road user is killed.
I was amazed to see hundreds of 56 plate taxis working last night (Saturday).


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Sussex wrote:
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Why only suspend the 56 range and the 07s shurly if one lot is affected, they all are.

I couldn't agree more.

If the fault only effects 56 reg TX4s, then surely they must know what the fault is as a 07 or 57 TX4 must have a different set up.

But I suspect the set up is the same, it's just that bits of 56 regs TX4s have started to wear out as they are the oldest of the fleet. :sad:


I think we should all ring her today and point this out to her, one off all off

Blimy im sounding like brother BB or ell tell :lol: :lol:


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Myself and the missus were on the M4 this morning drving back from out west and i saw a 56 plated TX4 joining from the flyers!! :shock:

As i understand it ALL 56 registered TX4's have been recalled so why are these guys still working their cabs ? If the guy has so much as a small knock with another motorist his insurance is invalid for starters, not to mention that he could face having his licence suspended or even revoked for driving a vehicle not fit for purpose!!

I understand the frustration, i own an 07 registered TX4 and am dreading any news that would cause me to pull the vehicle off the road, not least because i currently have it rented out which would be aggro for the other driver but if it did happen i'd be giving the guy my cab and i'd be out there renting one for myslef to continue working............i'd have to worry about the legalities and reimbursement issues afterwards.


skippy41 wrote:
Why only suspend the 56 range and the 07s shurly if one lot is affected, they all are.


Is there something i've missed in the news that now delcares the 07 unfit for purpose? :roll:


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