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The government have been dragging their ar*es for years on this.
It's likely that will continue.

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1 Require those who hold more than 1 plate to provide a percentage of their fleet as WAVs.

2 New applicants to provide a WAV for a set period of time before being permitted to licence a saloon.
Period to be determined according to take up, no saloons permitted until the desired percentage of the fleet is achieved.

3 Transfered plates must also provide a WAV.
This will prevent anyone buying their way around the system

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1, Why?

2, Why?

3 Why?

CC

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George Carlin

None of the above could be seen as "fair" or "reasonable"

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I merely pointed out that I didn't have a clue on how it should or could be implemented but I offered up the same scenario the Carlisle taxi association offered up when they asked the local council to only license WAVs. The same could be done in reverse with respect to saloons in those areas that do not have any saloons licensed as hackney carriages.

How a council goes about that is entirely up to them?

Regards

JD

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But you have a scenario where a proprietor is competing against another whose costs are substantially lower.....Maybe Carlisle are wrong....just like the many other towns and cities where mixed fleets are prevelant?

I dont have a clue either to be honest, but I think if every licensed vehicle is allowed to be what the proprietor wants including PH (lets scrap PH altogether and just have taxi), then all of this sh*te would end.

I dont want my fares regulated anymore either, when I work late or early and am one of the few cabs out, I want to change an absolute premium....supply and demand.

regards

CC

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George Carlin

Thats the nature of the current system of regulation and we have to live with that. I suppose those who have had to supply a wav in areas that are predominantly saloons have the same grievance. Perhaps in those areas that have an all wav policy should allow owners the opportunity to revert to the vehicle of their choice and then judge the impact of such a decision and formulate their equal ops policy accordingly?

The problem is not mine to remedy or execute but when all considered I have no doubt that the disabled will by law be allowed a choice of hackney carriage and not one that is subject to a purpose built vehicle with a 25 foot turning circle.

Regards

JD

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It may have escaped you, but it could be suggested those with saloon HC's just dont want to do W/Chair jobs?

regards

CC

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George Carlin

I assume thats because you can't fit a fully loaded wheelchair into a saloon but on a serious note nothing has escaped me because it would be up to the council to determine what provision of wav and saloon they were comfortable with.

All the powers that be need to satisfy themselves with is, would an all wav taxi fleet discriminate against some disabled? If the answer is a could, a might, or a maybe, then we have mixed fleets. If the courts draw the same conclusion then we have mixed fleets.

I think you should concentrate on the fact that mixed fleets are more than a probability and leave it up to councillors to decide how they are going to implement this law.

Regards

JD

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1 Puts the onus onto those more able to afford the change. Other businesses have to shell out to comply with the DDA, what makes plate barons and taxi companies any different?

2 & 3 This will prevent new applicants gaining any advantage ahead of existing plateholders. It will also stop any multi plate holders from surrendering their plates and applying for new saloon plates in different names.



It's a sh*t lot fairer than the system they've been using here for the last 14 years.

Some around here have been running WAVs for 14 years while the competition can licence one cheap saloon after another. Half the saloon plate holders have long since retired, gaining a tidy pension at our expense. Even the dead holders plates have been transfered to sons and daughters, who don't even drive them.
What's fair about that Jimbo?

The same council still insists that guys who are medically unfit to deal with wheelchairs must still license a WAV, knowing full well it will never have a wheelchair passenger in it.

There probably is no fair way to do this but what I suggest is fairer and more reasonable than an all WAV policy which probably doesn't conform to the DDA anyway, or Aberdeen's "saloons for those who were luck enough to be in before 1994 and screw the rest of you" approach.

At least my suggestion gives everyone a fair chance to have a saloon at some point.

Do you have a better suggestion?

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Sorry Gusmac....most of what you put IMO wont work.

regards

CC

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George Carlin

I run 2 cars..if im forced to make 50% of my Fleet (eg 1 car) a specially purchased and a lot more expensive WAV I'd be Knackered. I dont make huge profits, indeed I probably earn less per hour than a Latvian Circus Midget filling shelves, that aside it would be time to call it a day on financial grounds. more so because the Dozens and Dozens of Volunteer groups that supply cheap or free transport to the disabled would take any disabled customers away from my lovely new WAV, thus making it redundndant. the government cannot have it both ways...the charities competing with the self employed drivers.... i see lots of smart new charity/volunteer group owned wheel chair access vehicles 08.07,06 plates with lovely self lowering suspension and electronic ramps/ lifts etc. that is because they get subsidies and grants etc to help pay for them......me, well id get bu**er all help to pay for such a vehicle nor enough work to support one. now wheres the incentive in that??? the Disabled that presently use me quite happily would be left with no local service, Indeed ive never in all my years had to turn down a single client or run because the saloon cars ive had were inaccessable to a disabled person.

You may well be right, but Whatever way this act is eventually applied to the trade, some of us are going to lose out. If the trade doesn't come up with realistic proposals of our own, then it will be applied in whatever way the politicians and civil servants see fit.
The ostrich defense won't work. It's not just going to go away.

My suggestions are just that - suggestions.
If you don't think they will work then state your reasons.
Suggest a better approach.
If we can come up with a workable plan then the politicos may just go with it.
Leave it to them and we will end up with the worst possible scenario being feisted on us.

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That has to be the best quote for ages....two questions.

1, Can I steal it

2, Perhaps the latvian should join the GMBLCM section (Latvian Circus Midget Section)

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George Carlin

I thought you were PH bloodnock? If so this doesn't apply to PH.
I also didn't suggest 50% WAV.
Aberdeen has around 40% and I would say that there are far to many already.
Not that our council would let good sense or the truth get in the way of a bad policy decision.
The real demand for these things is probably far less than 10%. Somebody should be finding that out, surely?

Here's another suggestion:
The guys providing the WAVs should be getting some incentives from the government and councils.
Government tax breaks to help offset the costs would be good.
Councils could charge a nominal license fee (say £10), with an increase in saloon license fees to spread the burden around everyone.

Now where did I put my tin helmet?

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