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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:44 am 
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Recession hits London cabbies

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One of the most visible barometers of the economy in London are the black cabs, London Daily News columnist and BBC London commentator John Kennedy a black cab driver, along with all the major news organisation’s accepts recession is now a reality, but what next and how does this impact on the 25,000 black cabs in London.



by John Kennedy

We must be under no illusion now and prepare for a recession hitting our trade like a wave off an Old Spice advert.

The latest Gross Domestic Product figures came out and showed that the economy shrunk by 0.5% between July and September this year, add to this black October and I think we all understand that 2009 will be a very difficult year for all parts of the London taxi trade.

So what can we do to mitigate this dismal future that lies ahead for us all, well I've bounced a few ideas around my head and had a chat with a few of the regulars at the Chelsea Bridge Tea stall and Tom's on Clapham Common and came to the following conclusions.

1. We need at the very least another 1,000 rank spaces throughout London.

2. “Going Home” ranks and shared taxi-cabs facilities will certainly need to be reviewed at the earliest opportunity in 2009. These may well be luxuries we can afford when the economy is growing but I'm not sure these are viable in a recession.

3. We need taxi marshals at every mainline station ensuring the ranks move smoothly and offer an increased level of customer service to our passengers.

4. We must form teams of venue marshall’s and approach clubs, bars and major hotels and provide a taxi service rather than rely on door staff to put taxi work into mini cabs.

5. We must advertise via the trade press and on all forms of media that a London taxi cab is value for money, VFM


Visiting London why take the tube when you can travel door to door, two or more of you in a taxi-cab and we don't just compete we're actually cheaper than the tube. Remember it's £4.00 per head in zone one without a Oyster card.


6. The PCO must be split in two if just to preserve the different service taxi-cabs provide when compared to mini-cabs.

7. Touting must be taken seriously by those in authority with the courts opening at night to deal with this problem once and for all. Let's use the recession to sort the city out in time for 2012.

8. Radio circuits must put taxi work in taxi-cabs.

These are just a few ideas that many of us think and talk about. With a recession looming we must now put some if not all of these ideas into practice because opportunities will arise for us to get some of our work back. The first casualty in the transport industry appears to be the National Express dot to dot mini-coach service, if the reports are correct this service is to be scrapped and at £22.00 per head I'm not surprised, rather like the Heathrow Express we can compete and beat these services, we just need to market ourselves correctly.

The recession will certainly shake things up within our industry so I say let us the taxi-cab drivers do the shaking and not just the stirring!

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9.The PCO must not issue any more driver licences until 2010 earliest.

10.The tariff is now, more than ever, in need of reform to make taxis competitive for journeys over 2 hours and/or 20 miles. (You can now buy a partition sticker stating"Discount of 20% on return trips.Ask driver).

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Games dead.

I'm working later on today, lets see how bad it is out there at 1am this morning. :wink:


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It was horrendous, anyone want to buy the cab?

Honestly . . . :D


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I am glad someone has bought up the problem with the going home ranks. Drivers have been abusing the right to wait for a job home for a long time now. You see the same faces in Cranbourn Street that you do at Dover Street hanging up, as well as the faces from the rail termini.
Some drivers actually manage to get a job home three or four times a night in completely different directions.


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GBC wrote:
It was horrendous, anyone want to buy the cab?


Some days are,then others are not.
Some periods of the day are 'normal' and then the work stops as if a door has been slammed shut.

My explanation is the public lack confidence,due to the media,especially the Tory print media full of doom and gloom.
If the public sees empty taxis ranking up (as at Paddington),it does encourage them to use taxis.If we are busy.they feel it's okay to use a taxi.It's a question of confidence.

Yes,many people are affected by the financial crisis,but many are not.
Local and national government workers,education,medicine to name a few.
Many of those in negative equity and do not intend to move for the foreseeable future (bought family home to start family) are not affected.

Because this is a 'middle class' recession they scream the loudest and want to drag others in ('more the merrier').

The taxi trade is not alone in this and I predict a 1/2% cut in interest rates to boost the economy this week and members of the government 'talking up the economy' much to the annoyance of the Tory press and opposition.

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pretty much my view capt. Taxi

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... highlight=

As for the going home rank, i've used it on occasion when i've felt tired, wanted to go home but didn't want to risk a "wrong'un" at the wrong time of night. I'm the type of driver who won't refuse a fare once hailed, no matter where it's going (unless i deem the customer too drunk, aggressive etc) and when it comes home time i simply lock all doors, turn off the hire light and go home, therefore the going home rank is a facility i use from time to time to get me home.

To be honest the wait there can be quite lengthy so if guys are using it to trap long jobs then returning to the rank i would argue it could be a false economy for them; far better to drive around at that time of night and work the street and perhaps use the rank like i do and get that final job in the "right direction".

The biggest problem and where we lose a fair slice of work is the touting! Go down Cornhill of a Fri/Sat night and see the numbers of licensed PH drivers parked up openly touting their services to the public! Sadly lack of enforcement or the will to actually do anything by the City of London police means that these guys can carry on stealing our work with, it would seem complete immunity from prosecution.

This is a scenario being played out all over London; drive down Lavender Hill, Clapham High St, Regent St, Kensington High St etc and you see it time after time, licensed PH as well as the 3rd tier touts blatantly touting outside pubs, clubs and bars without fear of any legal action being taken.

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Memories of the 1988/93 slump.

One of my strongest memories of the 88/93 slump were the number of drivers who died.

In those days,I was a Mountview driver and usually at the AGM there was a minute's silence for drivers and past drivers who had died.This was about one,maybe two per year.
One year during the slump it was eight.
Working those extra hours 'to make up your money takes its toll on your health (both physical and mental)and family life (divorce rates rise).

What I have learnt is to economise now,if your takings are down by 20% look to a 20% cut in your out goings,renegotiate your mortgage and HP (lengthen the term),suspend pension contributions (all with the view of correcting this when the recovery comes).Do you need SKY TV? Can you cut by 20% your spend at Tesco? and so on.

One of my saddest memories of the slump was the mysterious accident of the driver of a FX4R on the Canning Town flyover (not involving another vehicle).
Some sad it was suicide. I still hope they were wrong.

Any other memories and tips?

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Memories of the 1988/93 slump.

One of my strongest memories of the 88/93 slump were the number of drivers who died.

In those days,I was a Mountview driver and usually at the AGM there was a minute's silence for drivers and past drivers who had died.This was about one,maybe two per year.
One year during the slump it was eight.
Working those extra hours 'to make up your money takes its toll on your health (both physical and mental)and family life (divorce rates rise).

What I have learnt is to economise now,if your takings are down by 20% look to a 20% cut in your out goings,renegotiate your mortgage and HP (lengthen the term),suspend pension contributions (all with the view of correcting this when the recovery comes).Do you need SKY TV? Can you cut by 20% your spend at Tesco? and so on.

One of my saddest memories of the slump was the mysterious accident of the driver of a FX4R on the Canning Town flyover (not involving another vehicle).
Some sad it was suicide. I still hope they were wrong.

Any other memories and tips?


On the one hand you're telling that the PCO shouldn't issue any more driver's licences until 2010 at the earliest, next you're telling us that recession brings up to each cabbie deaths in a night?

This is drivel.

Instead of moaning about recession get out there and do some work. Stop moping about on the social clubs that are called taxi ranks and go meet the public who can't hail a taxi because you're bumping your gums on a rank.

It's the old adage. You don't have to be bright to be a cabbie. Cabbies moan when times are good, they moan more when times are supposed to be bad.

Any wonder the public holds us in such poor regard?

I wonder how many cabbie bungalows will be binned in our supposed global recession.

Rather than contract our fleets, we should be taking the initiative on price and expanding our fleets to deliver an even better service to our customers. Rebuild our market share. Get the customer BEFORE the mini cabs and other charlatans get them.

If all the moaning minnies can do is moan, why the heck are they cabbies in the first place?

Our customers have always been those who want to avoid the weather. Or those who are in a hurry. Or those who relish the convenience a cab brings. Or those who realise that in cities it's cheaper to bus and taxi than own your own vehicle. Or the young on a weekend night out. Or students etc. And business users?

Add to this the visitor trade and that's substantially the customer base.

So, what's changing? Visitor numbers may be down, but then they've been down for the last two years, as the north Americans and Europeans haven't been coming. So they've bottomed already.

As for the rest? What's going to change dramatically? It hasn't so far. We haven't had the predicted mass unemployment yet. Who can truly say it is going to happen on the predicted scale anyway.

Experience suggests that we're fed doom and gloom so that when it pans out to be less than predicted we're already programmed to be grateful for our lot.

No, this is not the time to mope and moan. It's time to seize the initiative, anticipate and respond to change.

Who knows, if we play our cards right, the "recession" may put our competitors out of business and do us a real favour.

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As a country bumpkin, I've never heard of 'going home' ranks.

Some of the previous posts give an indication of their purpose but, how do they actually work? What is the etiquette regarding taking a job or refusing a job?


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jasbar wrote:-

On the one hand you're telling that the PCO shouldn't issue any more driver's licences until 2010 at the earliest, next you're telling us that recession brings up to each cabbie deaths in a night?

This is drivel.

Just look around industry, JCB for example. Because of the downturn they are making compulsory redundancies even though staff and workers have accepted a pay cut.
The last thing they will do is recruit and when they do recruit it will be when there is an upturn.
This is how business works.This is not drivel.
Why should the taxi trade be any different?
Less work = less jobs.The taxi trade is no different.

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Capt Taxi wrote:
jasbar wrote:-

On the one hand you're telling that the PCO shouldn't issue any more driver's licences until 2010 at the earliest, next you're telling us that recession brings up to each cabbie deaths in a night?

This is drivel.

Just look around industry, JCB for example. Because of the downturn they are making compulsory redundancies even though staff and workers have accepted a pay cut.
The last thing they will do is recruit and when they do recruit it will be when there is an upturn.
This is how business works.This is not drivel.
Why should the taxi trade be any different?
Less work = less jobs.The taxi trade is no different.



You must make account's for the window licker from edinburgh.

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thomasthetaxi wrote:
I am glad someone has bought up the problem with the going home ranks.

I think the biggest winners at these ranks are the marshalls. :roll: :roll:

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Capt Taxi wrote:
Because this is a 'middle class' recession they scream the loudest and want to drag others in ('more the merrier').

I think this could well be a 'middle class' recession.

It could be a 'working class' version but we don't make f*** all anymore. :?

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recession ,what recession?
Saturday and sunday days are no different now to what they were 6 months ago.Just had 2 good days.
villa in Florida is booked right up to april,mainly cab drivers.And still earning money I assume.
Must agree with acabbie,(although I don`t work night`s),going home? turn off your light and go home.
I think that the downturn in work still affects night drivers rather than day drivers.
whilst the fares/journeys on the whole might be better at night,if people chose not to go to the pub/club/theatre/resteraunt they dont neeed a cab.
During the day people still have to go to meetings,catch a train or plane etc.
GBC .how much you asking?


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