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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:11 pm 
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No, the "crap" remark marks you as a mental pygmy, an intellectual dwarf.

The market isn't free, tru, but our political "masters" all allegedly adhere to the principles of the free market. At least in public they do. But we all know that politicians are liars.

There is no such thing as a "free" plate. Only the right of an individual to apply for a plate. In over 70% of LAs, that right is properly adhered to. It's only in LAs where councils and the trade exploit drivers and customers that rights are restricted. But then, you already know this.

"Sell it ... again"? Never having held a plate before, how could I sell it again? And if I did sell a plate, wouldn't I just be doing something the council and the trade actively encourages, and you agree with? So, what's your problem?

And anyway, don't I want the floodgates to open? Haven't I already said as much? Haven't I long argued that removing the restriction restores the rights of drivers and customers over the restriction of those rights by selfish trade greedos?

So, you're wrong again, I DO want the floodgates to open, tempered of course by the quality controls that invests in drivers, not owners willing to prostitute their financial well being to a bank to fund an illegal plate value that requires high tariffs, ripping off customers, to fund it.

As for me being a fraud. How so? I've been open all the way down the line about what I'm working towards. You on the other hand, claim some moral high ground that simply conceals your own naked greed and fear of losing your protection from the plate restriction.

I'm not the fraud, you are. And you're a despicable liar and a coward to boot.

Here's laughing at you kid :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


You are a complete fraud, need I refer your mind back to the ghost of xmas past when you were an advocate of regulation?

You are so much caught up in your quest for a plate you seem deluded as to what its actually like in the places that are deregulated.

And the crap remark still sums up your post :lol:

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Na, your right Captain it is Crap, summed it up very succinctly.

He then repeats the usual stuff that plate values are somehow a contributory factor in the tariff calculation and that it "requires high tariffs, ripping off customers to fund it".

Does anyone take this stuff seriously anymore, where is the evidence that supports this, it's not in the latest PHTM fare league tables anyway!

Edinburgh is currently ranked 17th in Scotland, that's out of 44, even Skippy with his Skoda in an unrestricted area is above Edinburgh by six places. http://www.phtm.co.uk/media/1222769292.pdf page 113.

Aberdeen and East Lothian are ahead of the Number one City in the Country and they are both derestricted.

Sorry, need to go PMSL at the futility of it all you see! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Edinburgh is currently ranked 17th in Scotland, that's out of 44, even Skippy with his Skoda in an unrestricted area is above Edinburgh by six places.

After the initial mile your dearer, and at night we only put a £1.00 on at 10 PM


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Fares are a complete red herring in this regard - if there's exploitation then it's all about excess profits, which aren't really related to fares.

For example, in Fife the fares are the same all over, but plates in Glenrothes have apparently went for £40k, while in East Fife you'll be lucky to find a buyer, and you'll probably only get a few hundred quid if you find one. Meanwhile, PH plates in Glenrothes are worth nothing, even though they charge taxi tariffs.

It's all to do with how tightly the market is restricted, not fare levels.

As for people being disqualified from commenting because they've changed their mind, anyone who's never changed their mind on anything is probably either a liar or a fool.

But if Jim Taylor's opinion on the issue is discounted on that basis then Stu shouldn't even be allowed to breath :lol:


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Fae Fife wrote:

It's all to do with how tightly the market is restricted, not fare levels.



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jasbar wrote:
No, the "crap" remark marks you as a mental pygmy, an intellectual dwarf.

The market isn't free, tru, but our political "masters" all allegedly adhere to the principles of the free market. At least in public they do. But we all know that politicians are liars.

There is no such thing as a "free" plate. Only the right of an individual to apply for a plate. In over 70% of LAs, that right is properly adhered to. It's only in LAs where councils and the trade exploit drivers and customers that rights are restricted. But then, you already know this.

"Sell it ... again"? Never having held a plate before, how could I sell it again? And if I did sell a plate, wouldn't I just be doing something the council and the trade actively encourages, and you agree with? So, what's your problem?

And anyway, don't I want the floodgates to open? Haven't I already said as much? Haven't I long argued that removing the restriction restores the rights of drivers and customers over the restriction of those rights by selfish trade greedos?

So, you're wrong again, I DO want the floodgates to open, tempered of course by the quality controls that invests in drivers, not owners willing to prostitute their financial well being to a bank to fund an illegal plate value that requires high tariffs, ripping off customers, to fund it.

As for me being a fraud. How so? I've been open all the way down the line about what I'm working towards. You on the other hand, claim some moral high ground that simply conceals your own naked greed and fear of losing your protection from the plate restriction.

I'm not the fraud, you are. And you're a despicable liar and a coward to boot.

Here's laughing at you kid :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


You are a complete fraud, need I refer your mind back to the ghost of xmas past when you were an advocate of regulation?

You are so much caught up in your quest for a plate you seem deluded as to what its actually like in the places that are deregulated.

And the crap remark still sums up your post :lol:

CC


Perhaps you could tell us all where any LA has deregulated? I can't think of a single one.

As for plate values affecting tariffs?

Do you deny that tariffs are set to reflect the cost of operation?

And do you deny that rentals reflect the owner's costs and the profit margin he seeks?

And do you deny that those owner costs include the costs borne by the owner - vehicle, finance, plate finance, servicing, repairs, rubber etc. - they are all his component costs?

So, how can the plate value not possibly be reflected in the ultimate tariff?

OK you still don't agree. Then let's dispense with the plate values by opening the market up, and reassess the tariff in light of the new competitive edge and let's all see where the tariff lies then.

The only reason that you don't see the effect of the plate value on the tariff is because you don't want to see it.

As for areas with lower plate values having higher tariffs, even a first year economics student would recognise that there is no single factor that affects price. Supply, demand, scarcity, quality, politics, control are just some of the factors affecting. Given time, I have no doubt I could come up with many more.

Setting tariffs is a complex algorithim. And one which is subject to political influence. Taxi trade's, like all other market sector, are in the business of pushing up the tariff to maximise profit. There's nothing wrong with that per se.

Council's are supposedly in the business of representing public interest, but here in Edinburgh we all know that they set our tariffs to suit their political agenda. Which is why they allowed a 15% increase in the tariff when they were launching their expanded night bus service. Obviously, they could not do so if taxi fares were so low that it was more cost effective to use a taxi rather than the shiny new £200,000 night bus. It would destroy their business model. So they used the price mechanism to control the taxi competition.

(Incidentally, they will do precisely the same to ensure that buses do not have any price competitive edge over the shiny new tram system.)

And the taxi trade fell for it. They took the "silver" and lost vast swathes of its market to night buses as a result.

Indeed, we all remember Jim Muldoon, of the Scottish Taxi federation, telling us that rather than put on more taxis the council should put on more buses.

Quality or what?

Our trade has given our work away. Sold us down the river. Just to protect the plate value.




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jasbar wrote:

Perhaps you could tell us all where any LA has deregulated? I can't think of a single one.

As for plate values affecting tariffs?

Do you deny that tariffs are set to reflect the cost of operation?

And do you deny that rentals reflect the owner's costs and the profit margin he seeks?

And do you deny that those owner costs include the costs borne by the owner - vehicle, finance, plate finance, servicing, repairs, rubber etc. - they are all his component costs?

So, how can the plate value not possibly be reflected in the ultimate tariff?

OK you still don't agree. Then let's dispense with the plate values by opening the market up, and reassess the tariff in light of the new competitive edge and let's all see where the tariff lies then.

The only reason that you don't see the effect of the plate value on the tariff is because you don't want to see it.

As for areas with lower plate values having higher tariffs, even a first year economics student would recognise that there is no single factor that affects price. Supply, demand, scarcity, quality, politics, control are just some of the factors affecting. Given time, I have no doubt I could come up with many more.

Setting tariffs is a complex algorithim. And one which is subject to political influence. Taxi trade's, like all other market sector, are in the business of pushing up the tariff to maximise profit. There's nothing wrong with that per se.

Council's are supposedly in the business of representing public interest, but here in Edinburgh we all know that they set our tariffs to suit their political agenda. Which is why they allowed a 15% increase in the tariff when they were launching their expanded night bus service. Obviously, they could not do so if taxi fares were so low that it was more cost effective to use a taxi rather than the shiny new £200,000 night bus. It would destroy their business model. So they used the price mechanism to control the taxi competition.

(Incidentally, they will do precisely the same to ensure that buses do not have any price competitive edge over the shiny new tram system.)

And the taxi trade fell for it. They took the "silver" and lost vast swathes of its market to night buses as a result.

Indeed, we all remember Jim Muldoon, of the Scottish Taxi federation, telling us that rather than put on more taxis the council should put on more buses.

Quality or what?

Our trade has given our work away. Sold us down the river. Just to protect the plate value.

:?


I cant be a*sed to read your diatribe, why don't you do some research into taxi fares in regulated and deregulated areas?

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http://www.phtm.co.uk/media/1225715124.pdf

TARIFF ONE – FLAGFALL AVERAGE BY AREA
EAST ANGLIA . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£2.66
MIDLANDS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£2.51
NORTH . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£2.25
SOUTH . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£2.66
SOUTH WEST . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£2.41
SCOTLAND . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£2.31
WALES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£2.58

EDINBURGH £1.50

TARIFF ONE – ONE MILE FARE AVERAGE BY AREA
EAST ANGLIA . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£3.35
MIDLANDS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£3.30
NORTH . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£3.18
SOUTH . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£3.63
SOUTH WEST . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£3.57
SCOTLAND . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£3.04
WALES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£3.03

EDINBURGH £3.00

TARIFF ONE – TWO MILE FARE AVERAGE BY AREA
EAST ANGLIA . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£4.99
MIDLANDS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£4.89
NORTH . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£4.73
SOUTH . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£5.41
SOUTH WEST . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£5.49
SCOTLAND . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£4.52
WALES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .£4.74

EDINBURGH £4.50

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:53 pm 
What's the point of debating with you if you won't read the argument. I've already explained the vagaries of setting tariffs. Comparison between areas is not a level playing field, because of the complexity particular to individual areas.

How can anyone argue with an idiot like you?

The short of it is, feck off.

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jasbar wrote:

How can anyone argue with an idiot like you?


Well you do write such pish :lol:

GTF

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