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GBC

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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:02 pm

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Unless you drive a Skoda or a Doblo. :wink:

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Bart

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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:33 am

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Capt Taxi wrote:

rambo wrote:

Will taxis be exempt?
Livingstone's original plan were for taxis to 'receive a 100% discount'.
Incredibly the trade saw through this scam and got an exemption.

Thats the same thing isn't it?

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Capt Taxi

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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:48 am

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Bart wrote:

Capt Taxi wrote:

rambo wrote:

Will taxis be exempt?
Livingstone's original plan were for taxis to 'receive a 100% discount'.
Incredibly the trade saw through this scam and got an exemption.

Thats the same thing isn't it?

NO!

It was clear that Livingstone needed the taxi trade on his side when he introduced the Congestion Charge.
The trade smelt a rat,100% discount to start but what about the future?
It was clear the 'discount' would be lowered to 50% then 25% then removed completely.
Livingstone would have played the 'there is less traffic,therefore you are earning more than £8 per day (the CC payment),therefore you can afford to contribute' card.

As we have seen,the Congestion Charge did not raise the revenue Livingstone planned so he extended the CC area west as far as Earl's Court (and I have no doubt if he had won in May,east to Docklands).

Manchester learn from what has happen in London.

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GBC

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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:50 pm

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Don't ever elect Livingstone?

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Capt Taxi

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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:49 am

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Boris Johnson has now scrapped (starts in 2010) the western extension of the Congestion Charge in London.

Does Manchester want some second hand CCTV equipment for it's proposed scheme?

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GBC

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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:18 pm

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Boris now needs to increase the CC fee in Central London to cover the lost £77 Mullions that will be lost?

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Capt Taxi

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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:40 pm

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Any lose can be made up by stop running empty buses on duplicated routes.

When the CC was introduced Livingstone said there was xxx,ooo of extra seats available by running extra buses.
That's is true.
They were empty then and still are.

This is were Manchester can learn from London.
Extra buses will run as part of the deal to introduce the CC.
But will the public use or need them?

As Brian Suter,the chairman of Stagecoach said of Ken Livingstone when announcing record profits;
'Everyday we light a candle in the window for him'.

It not just Tfl,Capita and IBM making money out of the CC.

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bloodnock

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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:47 pm

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captain cab wrote:

On the brightside, it works apparently in Durham.

I've never been there.....and dont intend to :lol:

what the hell does Durham need a CC charge for..ive seen bigger Villages.. :roll:

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Capt Taxi

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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:43 pm

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It appears a recent advert 'promoting' the Manchester CC has fallen foul of Ofcom:-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/no ... litical-ad

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rambo

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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:08 am

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Well done boris, he took notice of the public consultation.

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Cresta-slave

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captain cab wrote:

GBC wrote:

The Congestion Charge did work in London when it was first introduced in 2002.

However since then, numerous roads have been closed, narrowed and had unnecessary traffic signals installed all designed to slow everything down to a crawl.

That, along with never ending roadworks on every third street and more buses means any advantage gained by the CC (Not CC) has been lost, but the principle of the idea is still good.

If Manchester City Council play their cards correctly, they could be onto a winner with the local Taxi drivers.

London manipulated the situation prior to the CC.......traffic lights out of sync that mysteriously were fixed after the CC were introduced etc.

CC

The same's being done in Manchester. Roadworks galore (That seem to have little activity on them) all at key points on the road network to maximise congestion - strangely with billboards promoting the charge at the main congestion points. The traffic lights all seem to be cocked up too - one set on Shude Hill/Corporation St can be on red for up to 10 minutes!! Apparently, We won't have to pay the charge, but I'll still be voting NO!! Its a Stealth Tax. Nothing more, Nothing Less!! [-(

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bloodnock

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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:58 pm

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Cresta-slave wrote:

captain cab wrote:

GBC wrote:

London manipulated the situation prior to the CC.......traffic lights out of sync that mysteriously were fixed after the CC were introduced etc.

CC

The problem with a Vote is you tend to get The Non car owning tree Hugging money'd type that dont have to work for a living voting along with POBS (Pr*cks on Bike's) that are single themed obsessives that believe cars are the devil incarnate...and those two Groups of sad sacs make a large Voting body...and they will vote, no apathy with these guys..every man jack of them will Vote for a CC..where poor old joe Bloggs the hard pushed driver is more likely to give the Voting a miss..then wonder how the CC got voted in.

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Capt Taxi

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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:38 pm

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Does the business community in Manchester have a vote or say?

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captain cab

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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:40 pm

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bloodnock wrote:

every man jack of them will Vote for CC..where poor old joe Bloggs the hard pushed driver is more likely to give the Voting a miss..then wonder how CC got voted in.

you've sussed out my plan for world domination then.

damn

CC

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bloodnock

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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:20 pm

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captain cab wrote:

bloodnock wrote:

every man jack of them will Vote for CC..where poor old joe Bloggs the hard pushed driver is more likely to give the Voting a miss..then wonder how CC got voted in.

you've sussed out my plan for world domination then.

damn

CC

Just curious captain cab..the Fez wearing guy by the Pyramid on your avatar...is he trying to swallow a Snake tail first????

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