Taxi Driver Online

Can't speak for Red Tel, but I would imagine he was a tad nervous about making an ar** of himself in front of several million listeners.

As opposed to 1350 members and 1000s of lurkers on TDO.

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IDFIMH

Done properly it shouldn't matter.

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IDFIMH

I think it's the view of most unions that working hours should be reduced, but I doubt the membership would vote 100% for it.

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IDFIMH

I don't think 10/12 hours a day is over doing it in terms of safety, providing you haven't been running non stop.

But there are articles on here where drivers have had accidents when working 15/18/20 hours stints.

Also of concern to me is those drivers that work a 9 till 5 job and then do a 12 hours shift on the cabs. IMO this needs to be addressed.

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IDFIMH

if you drive anything with a tachograph your day starts at the start and 9hrs driving or after your spreadover it ends....

I'd be very happy to be running non-stop for 10 hours, I would'nt have to work for 12 then.

Your not going to like this but he has a point

Most driver are self employed so they have no choice but to work long hours to make ends meet.
Thats the problem, if they dont own the car or any of the equipment they should be classed as employees, and given the same pay and entitlements
So a driver who is an employee (a very rare occurance) would have to work to the EU directive, while the alleged self employed would work any hours they wanted but only to make up the pay they dont receive
I know alleged self employed drivers here who are working for less than £2.00 an hour and are doing in excess of 70 hours a week.
one driver sat on the rank for 4 hours and only moved up the rank in that time

Self employed on what basis? renting a cab or on a percentage?

CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

If you dont have your own cab here you only get a percentage normaly 40%
Those who work through an office pay an office rent if they have there own car £120 per week

I think you should speak to Terry F about that.....those drivers could be entitled to Holiday pay and the minimum wage, the inland revenue would probably tell them that as they work under the direction of someone who pays all the associated running costs of the vehicle (including fuel and insurance), they are in fact employees in all but name.

CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

Perhaps you would like to speak to him and point him in the Borders direction, I have tried to tell the drivers this but they wont listen

Do any of you think we should let the old one back on TDO to discus this

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

when does the WHD directive hit the self employed? is it 2009 or 2010?

some parcel firms (Businesspost for one) rely heavily on SE owner drivers to work 15 hours a day as they know the cost of a PAYE (or 2) to cover that run would add upto a fortune in extra costs, however ALL commercial (as in working, not trucks/vans) are technically covered by driver hours, a van driver with no tacho should really be completeing a log book daily, very few do

That was the problem, Terry does'nt discuss topics, he just shouts the odds and calls people ****'s and parasites.