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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 7:03 pm 
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the thing is that what i want to earn may be different to what someone else wants to earn

if my target was £200 a week and yours is £900 how do you achieve a solution?

a guy/gal with a hefty mortgage, car finance, credit cards and 3 kids will need a lot more than me


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I'll do a 50/50 or ask the audience :lol: . I never said I had a solution I just agreed with the principal that drivers should not have to work excessive hours to earn a decent living :D


I didn't ask for a solution I merely asked for an indication as to what you personally regard as suitable mandatory working hours? It would appear no one is prepared to put their opinion on record and I find that rather strange considering some people have expressed very strong opinions on restricting drivers working hours.

Why do I get the feeling that this is ground hog day and not xmas?

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Ok for the record IMO anything over a 12 hour shift is excessive I personally wouldn't drive for more than 10 hours and rarely do more than 8 hour shifts, is you happy now :wink:

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toots wrote:
Ok for the record IMO anything over a 12 hour shift is excessive I personally wouldn't drive for more than 10 hours and rarely do more than 8 hour shifts, is you happy now :wink:


lol well toots I congratulate you on being the first person to come out and actually state how many hours per shift you think a driver should be allowed to work. However I would be even happier if you could clarify how many shifts per week a driver in your opinion should be allowed to work? For example would it be for seven days or less?

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Ok for the record IMO anything over a 12 hour shift is excessive I personally wouldn't drive for more than 10 hours and rarely do more than 8 hour shifts, is you happy now :wink:


lol well toots I congratulate you on being the first person to come out and actually state how many hours per shift you think a driver should be allowed to work. However I would be even happier if you could clarify how many shifts per week a driver in your opinion should be allowed to work? For example would it be for seven days or less?

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IMO they should be allowed to work as many shifts as they like so long as there is at least 11 hours between each shift to ensure a good rest and a bit of relaxation. I appreciate that some people would prefer to be at work than at home but a rest is required if you are going to do a long shift that requires attention. Please say you is a happy bunny rabbit now :lol:

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I don't know what his comments were or who they supported but one assumes he was talking about the London Private hire trade and less working hours? What he specifically advocates I don't know but perhaps someone can enlighten me?

I think his concern is the way some of the London PH firms are putting pressure on drivers to work more hours than even the drivers think safe.

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I don't know what his comments were or who they supported but one assumes he was talking about the London Private hire trade and less working hours? What he specifically advocates I don't know but perhaps someone can enlighten me?

I think his concern is the way some of the London PH firms are putting pressure on drivers to work more hours than even the drivers think safe.


Are you sure? He usually goes down the:

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C***, try Morning Star for FRI 12 Oct 2007.and Sat 13 for The mayors condemnation of it!!

Link you post dosnt work!

Why start on about gutters, this is a debate about you posting support for a demo deemed by many as racist! If it was racist and you knowingly supported it then obviously you would find the GUTTER familiar territory along With your Mate ????

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. . . road? :?

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As mentioned before in this thread I think it is unsafe for drivers to work more than 12 hours a day. Do I have any evidence for that? No.

Is there a formula that would lead to drivers earning whilst working no-more than 60 hours a week? No.

But what happens when work gets quieter? Day drivers stay out longer, which then necessitates night drivers to come out earlier, which necessitates day drivers to stay out longer, which then necessitates ..............

Now if there was some sort of maximum hours, could a sort of reverse not happen? :?

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I guess that’s dependant on how the recession goes and of course the health and condition of the individual driver.

I think a 25 year old fit driver will manage twice as may hours as an out of shape 65 year old would.

I suspect in two years we'll all be back to more sociable hours, TBH I've always kept to my hours through good years and bad, and that’s why I'll ride this one out like the last one.

If it lasts a decade, that puts a slightly different slant on it. :shock:


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I think a 25 year old fit driver will manage twice as may hours as an out of shape 65 year old would.


Oh yes the older you get the less sleep you need so obviously the 65 year old (who should be retired in a perfect world) will be able to work more hours than the 25 year old :shock:

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except many 25 year olds are stoned too much

my mate was out of work, the job centre gestapo sent him to a sainsbury warehouse for an intreview, he got a job, first day was an induction with 15 others, first hurdle was a drugs test, next day only 7 turned up.....


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So lets address some points

Firstly JD criticises the broadcast without listening to it, WHY?


I should point out that at no time have I ever criticised the broadcast of Mr Flanagan and the record will show that. The record will also show that I have only ever criiticised the "idea" of mandatory working hours for the taxi trade as a whole.

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I must admit JD is telling the truth....he's asked questions....not given an opinion.

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Sussex wrote:
I think his concern is the way some of the London PH firms are putting pressure on drivers to work more hours than even the drivers think safe.


Are those drivers self employed?

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GBC wrote:
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JD wrote:
I don't know what his comments were or who they supported but one assumes he was talking about the London Private hire trade and less working hours? What he specifically advocates I don't know but perhaps someone can enlighten me?

I think his concern is the way some of the London PH firms are putting pressure on drivers to work more hours than even the drivers think safe.


Are you sure? He usually goes down the:

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C***, try Morning Star for FRI 12 Oct 2007.and Sat 13 for The mayors condemnation of it!!

Link you post dosnt work!

Why start on about gutters, this is a debate about you posting support for a demo deemed by many as racist! If it was racist and you knowingly supported it then obviously you would find the GUTTER familiar territory along With your Mate ????

ORGANISE EDUCATE AGITATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


. . . road? :?

Quality.


roflmao :lol:

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As mentioned before in this thread I think it is unsafe for drivers to work more than 12 hours a day. Do I have any evidence for that? No.

Is there a formula that would lead to drivers earning whilst working no-more than 60 hours a week? No.


I dont get paid when sitting waiting for work....I'm not driving....I'm either having a coffee...cigarette....or reading a book....tell me how any of the above could be described as working because the only time I'm actually working I get paid.

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JD wrote:
Considering you're in favour of reducing private hire drivers earnings by introducing mandatory working hours perhaps you can give us your formula for maintaining parity in earnings for less hours?

Regards

JD


I said nothing about reducing private hire drivers earnings.

What I did suggest, was that there wasn't as much as a problem prior to the OFT report recommending that Councils forego their responsibilities of ensuring safe public services.

Still, I don't suppose your to bothered about how safe a driver or vehicle is .................... as long as the driver has a choice and is able to do what he/she wants to do.

FFS

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