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Id consider D1 m/bus training and ADi if it was cheap enough...


It aint...costs a fair bit to do the D1 :sad:


All ready got mine D1 that is
If you get your UK driving licence after 1997 I think it is you must pass a D1 test

how much is PH insurance for a 16 seat-er nowadays


Doesnt matter When you passed your Driving test....you still need to pass a seperate DI Driving test to get a D1 licence otherwise you cannot drive for hire or reward...

PH insurance is nothing to with A 16 seater..it'd be Insurance to suit a PCV youd be looking for...however they still may take your NCB in PH into account as mine did, so it should be little differance to your PH cost but dependant on Vehicle costs and age like any Insurance but need all thats on the Insurance to be similarily D1 licenced..


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I started the NVQ on Monday.... the class consists of seven Liverpool hackney drivers, myself, and 12 Delta private hire drivers....... not impressed at all..... they started off showing the class a film regarding customer-care, the examples were a white driver in a tatty old banger that was filthy , he himself was a slob, cigarette hanging out of his mouth and arguing with the passengers and not carrying their shopping... and the contrast was a smartly dressed Asian driver in a nice clean car, who was polite and carried the shopping.



I can do that...the Wife has me Carrying the Bloody shopping every week :roll:


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So what did you learn from this first lesson that you didn't already know?

That Delta drivers dressed smarter than the Liverpool hacks. :shock:

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JD can I point out that the NVQ probably won't teach experienced drivers a whole lot


Well what will it teach them? Has it ever occured to you that these so called trainers have not an ounce of the experiance and knowledge that many in the taxi trade have accumulated?

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but it will extract knowledge that they already have and make them more aware of it and the proper time to use this knowledge.


I don't understand your statement extract knowledge they already have and make them more aware of it? If the trainers aren't as knowledgeable as the drivers how hell will they be able to extract their knowledge. Shouldn't the drivers be teaching the trainers in that case?

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I already said it wasn't going to teach them anything they didn't already know as experienced drivers. I also raised the question of how many of these trainers are actually taxi drivers. With regard to the statement I made that you don't fully understand perhaps that wasn't a particularly good example of what I meant and I can't think how best to describe it, but, perhaps if I say the NVQ is designed to get on paper what is already in our heads that may be clearer :?

I must agree that the drivers would probably make better teachers than the trainers but we don't have the paper qualification to do it so they won't give us that job :wink:

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I started the NVQ on Monday.... the class consists of seven Liverpool hackney drivers, myself, and 12 Delta private hire drivers....... not impressed at all..... they started off showing the class a film regarding customer-care, the examples were a white driver in a tatty old banger that was filthy , he himself was a slob, cigarette hanging out of his mouth and arguing with the passengers and not carrying their shopping... and the contrast was a smartly dressed Asian driver in a nice clean car, who was polite and carried the shopping.


Don't suppose you was at Knowsley College or Hugh Baird was you? Should have gone Liverpool Community College they wouldn't insult you're intelligence. I find hard to believe they used an Asian to carry shopping they don't carry sh*t for anybody let alone a stranger :wink:

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I started the NVQ on Monday.... the class consists of seven Liverpool hackney drivers, myself, and 12 Delta private hire drivers....... not impressed at all..... they started off showing the class a film regarding customer-care, the examples were a white driver in a tatty old banger that was filthy , he himself was a slob, cigarette hanging out of his mouth and arguing with the passengers and not carrying their shopping... and the contrast was a smartly dressed Asian driver in a nice clean car, who was polite and carried the shopping.


The VRQ MrT ????????????????????????????????

B. Lucky :D

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I started the NVQ on Monday.... the class consists of seven Liverpool hackney drivers, myself, and 12 Delta private hire drivers....... not impressed at all..... they started off showing the class a film regarding customer-care, the examples were a white driver in a tatty old banger that was filthy , he himself was a slob, cigarette hanging out of his mouth and arguing with the passengers and not carrying their shopping... and the contrast was a smartly dressed Asian driver in a nice clean car, who was polite and carried the shopping.


The VRQ MrT ????????????????????????????????

B. Lucky :D


Oh you haven't started the paper trail yet then what joy awaits you if you continue to the NVQ and if you don't do you have to pay for your VRQ?

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JD can I point out that the NVQ probably won't teach experienced drivers a whole lot


Well what will it teach them? Has it ever occured to you that these so called trainers have not an ounce of the experiance and knowledge that many in the taxi trade have accumulated?

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but it will extract knowledge that they already have and make them more aware of it and the proper time to use this knowledge.


I don't understand your statement extract knowledge they already have and make them more aware of it? If the trainers aren't as knowledgeable as the drivers how hell will they be able to extract their knowledge. Shouldn't the drivers be teaching the trainers in that case?

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I already said it wasn't going to teach them anything they didn't already know as experienced drivers. I also raised the question of how many of these trainers are actually taxi drivers. With regard to the statement I made that you don't fully understand perhaps that wasn't a particularly good example of what I meant and I can't think how best to describe it, but, perhaps if I say the NVQ is designed to get on paper what is already in our heads that may be clearer :?

I must agree that the drivers would probably make better teachers than the trainers but we don't have the paper qualification to do it so they won't give us that job :wink:


As a qualified assessor and an experienced driver of over 15 years I can tell you without a shadow of doubt what the NVQ is all about.

The NVQ is awarded to those people involved in an industry who prove their professional competance via evidence gathered during assessment.

The only "learning" is decided by the candidate during initial assessment which determines whether any "skills for life" or other individual learning needs are identified.

The reason some providers insist on learning is solely down to the fact that more funds can be drawn down from the Learning and Skills Council through Train 2 Gain funding.

NVQ's should be INDIVIDUAL and should NEVER be conducted in a classroom enviroment.

The work and gathering of evidence should be done in the drivers down time and should definately NOT take the driver off the road when he/she would normally be working.

I have just returned home from visiting a candidate between 8pm and 9pm, because thats when it suited HIM.

There are private training providers who are in it for the money and nothing else ................... they can make a profit and a very good one without offering anything in return.

I would warn people that some training prioviders are being looked at by the awarding bodies, and anyone who suggests that they can deliver a NVQ in a few days is leaving candidates open to refusal of the award.

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The only "learning" is decided by the candidate during initial assessment which determines whether any "skills for life" or other individual learning needs are identified.


That's different to what I know the 'skills for life' is covered in the VRQ

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The NVQ is awarded to those people involved in an industry who prove their professional competance via evidence gathered during assessment.


Getting what you know on paper :wink:

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The only "learning" is decided by the candidate during initial assessment which determines whether any "skills for life" or other individual learning needs are identified.


That's different to what I know the 'skills for life' is covered in the VRQ


No Toots the underpinning knowledge is covered under the VRQ and can be transferred to the NVQ easily.

Skills for Life training is a seperate entity which covers Numeracy and Literacy in the main but can include any specific needs of each candidate.

This is usually identified in the initial assessment.

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The NVQ is awarded to those people involved in an industry who prove their professional competance via evidence gathered during assessment.


Getting what you know on paper :wink:


absolutely right ............... I only offered alternative wording.

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I started the NVQ on Monday.... the class consists of seven Liverpool hackney drivers, myself, and 12 Delta private hire drivers....... not impressed at all..... they started off showing the class a film regarding customer-care, the examples were a white driver in a tatty old banger that was filthy , he himself was a slob, cigarette hanging out of his mouth and arguing with the passengers and not carrying their shopping... and the contrast was a smartly dressed Asian driver in a nice clean car, who was polite and carried the shopping.


The VRQ MrT ????????????????????????????????

B. Lucky :D


Oh you haven't started the paper trail yet then what joy awaits you if you continue to the NVQ and if you don't do you have to pay for your VRQ?
It's the VRQ which then goes on to the NVQ.....Toots if I do not finish the course it will be because they have thrown me out.... which nearly happened on Monday.....JD.. they are trying to teach a private hire course to hackney drivers.......PS.... The one thing I am happy with is that it is called the.....TAXI and private hire qualification.....

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No Toots the underpinning knowledge is covered under the VRQ and can be transferred to the NVQ easily.

Skills for Life training is a seperate entity which covers Numeracy and Literacy in the main but can include any specific needs of each candidate.

This is usually identified in the initial assessment.


Oh I must have been in my own little world of Tootville when I did my VRQ and my skills for life at the same time. I think it must depend on which college covers it perhaps :?

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I started the NVQ on Monday.... the class consists of seven Liverpool hackney drivers, myself, and 12 Delta private hire drivers....... not impressed at all..... they started off showing the class a film regarding customer-care, the examples were a white driver in a tatty old banger that was filthy , he himself was a slob, cigarette hanging out of his mouth and arguing with the passengers and not carrying their shopping... and the contrast was a smartly dressed Asian driver in a nice clean car, who was polite and carried the shopping.


The VRQ MrT ????????????????????????????????

B. Lucky :D


Oh you haven't started the paper trail yet then what joy awaits you if you continue to the NVQ and if you don't do you have to pay for your VRQ?
It's the VRQ which then goes on to the NVQ.....Toots if I do not finish the course it will be because they have thrown me out.... which nearly happened on Monday.....JD.. they are trying to teach a private hire course to hackney drivers.......PS.... The one thing I am happy with is that it is called the.....TAXI and private hire qualification.....


It's really strange because where I did mine was more HC related. In fact they tended to keep us seperate because of this difference. Having said that we have had the PH lads being able to have a go at a WAV and getting wheelchair in it, which I have to say is not the easiest thing in the world. Anyway good luck and try an stay calm :)

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I started the NVQ on Monday.... the class consists of seven Liverpool hackney drivers, myself, and 12 Delta private hire drivers....... not impressed at all..... they started off showing the class a film regarding customer-care, the examples were a white driver in a tatty old banger that was filthy , he himself was a slob, cigarette hanging out of his mouth and arguing with the passengers and not carrying their shopping... and the contrast was a smartly dressed Asian driver in a nice clean car, who was polite and carried the shopping.


The VRQ MrT ????????????????????????????????

B. Lucky :D


Oh you haven't started the paper trail yet then what joy awaits you if you continue to the NVQ and if you don't do you have to pay for your VRQ?
It's the VRQ which then goes on to the NVQ.....Toots if I do not finish the course it will be because they have thrown me out.... which nearly happened on Monday.....JD.. they are trying to teach a private hire course to hackney drivers.......PS.... The one thing I am happy with is that it is called the.....TAXI and private hire qualification.....


It's really strange because where I did mine was more HC related. In fact they tended to keep us seperate because of this difference. Having said that we have had the PH lads being able to have a go at a WAV and getting wheelchair in it, which I have to say is not the easiest thing in the world. Anyway good luck and try an stay calm :)

Somebody is in for a nervous breakdown .... and it will not be me... :roll:

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No Toots the underpinning knowledge is covered under the VRQ and can be transferred to the NVQ easily.

Skills for Life training is a seperate entity which covers Numeracy and Literacy in the main but can include any specific needs of each candidate.

This is usually identified in the initial assessment.


Oh I must have been in my own little world of Tootville when I did my VRQ and my skills for life at the same time. I think it must depend on which college covers it perhaps :?


Skills for Life is a seperate qualification toots.

I think you may be confusing the Numeracy and Literacy tests with Skills for Life training, but if you did decide that you needed to brush up or improve your own knowledge then you should be applauded for wanting to improve your own skills and knowledge.

B. Lucky :D

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