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I was going to suggest that perhaps the lad was as p*ssed as a newt and walked in front of the PHV?

Gary was hit by private hire driver Lee Sewell's Vauxhall Vectra at about 3.30am


I was going to introduce that aspect to the debate so I'm glad you pointed out that at 3-30 am after a night on the town the young chap might have been a little worse for wear. Therefore we have no idea if he contributed to the accident and by how much?

Perhaps that aspect of the incident will now be brought into the debate?

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Whilst I appreciate that people who are a little worse for wear can be a hazard to any driver on the road a taxi driver should be more than use to this kind of thing and should be prepared to anticipate the possible actions of people around and about especially given the time of day this accident occured. Also IMO tiredness does slow you down or more to the point slows your reactions down and not necessarily the speed of your vehicle. If this driver was speeding and his reactions are slower it would certainly IMO give rise to an accident happening before you realise and have the opportunity to react.

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And a tad thick telling a relative of the decease how long he had been driving for that day. ](*,)


I wonder if this opens up the firm he was working for?

Duty of Care? Health and safety policy?

Could get interesting.

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IMO most larger firms don't have any opinion with regards to the above. The fact that they continue to flood their systems with more and more drivers is a balant and total disregard to driver and public safety. They don't care if a driver has to work 5 hours or 16 hours to make a living so long as they get what they want. I think it is high time these companies were made responsible in some way for the drivers they employ even on a self employed basis

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As the death was a number of months ago I wonder if the crown coroner was involved and wonder if he was what comments were made in respect of the death?

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IMO most larger firms don't have any opinion with regards to the above. The fact that they continue to flood their systems with more and more drivers is a balant and total disregard to driver and public safety. They don't care if a driver has to work 5 hours or 16 hours to make a living so long as they get what they want. I think it is high time these companies were made responsible in some way for the drivers they employ even on a self employed basis


Are you suggesting PH firms dont have health and safety polcies and dont have risk assessments?

Now thats naughty :wink:

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Whilst I appreciate that people who are a little worse for wear can be a hazard to any driver on the road a taxi driver should be more than use to this kind of thing and should be prepared to anticipate the possible actions of people around and about especially given the time of day this accident occured. Also IMO tiredness does slow you down or more to the point slows your reactions down and not necessarily the speed of your vehicle. If this driver was speeding and his reactions are slower it would certainly IMO give rise to an accident happening before you realise and have the opportunity to react.


The charge for causing death by tiredness is death by dangerous driving and carries a maximum sentence of 14 years. Obviously the police couldn't prove tiredness or even dangerous driving. Don't skid marks reveal the awareness of the driver as per when they first braked? If the driver was tired and falling asleep he would have probably breaked after he hit the pedestrian. When the case goes to court we will know all the facts.

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I found this on another website
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The inquest heard Gary's alcohol level was almost twice the drink-drive limit at the time of his death.

He was crossing Huddersfield Road to his mum and stepdad's home in the same street via a pedestrian refuge at traffic lights.

Immediately after the crash, Sewell, 26, of Worsbrough, made an "unsolicited statement" to police that he had been driving at about 45 mph in a 30 limit, the inquest was told.

Although he later retracted the remark, a police accident investigation found he had been travelling at more than 40 mph.

Self-employed Sewell, who worked for the A1 Ace Radio taxi agency, declined to answer questions about his speed.

But when Gary's dad Martin Glymond asked how long he had been working, Sewell replied: "Fourteen hours, I started at quarter past one."

He added that he had "not seen" the Barnsley College motor vehicle student cross the road into his path.

Sewell, who was driving back into Barnsley to pick up another customer at the time of the crash, denied falling asleep at the wheel.

A post mortem examination found Gary died of a severe head injury and suffered a broken leg.

Police accident investigator Pc Bryan Tew said damage to the car, its stopping distance and the fact that Gary had been thrown over its roof indicated it had been driven at "between 41 and 53 mph".

Assistant Deputy Coroner Donald Coutts-Wood said in a narrative verdict: "Sewell's vehicle collided with Mr Glymond. Sewell was travelling in excess of 30 mph, Mr Glymond sustained a traumatic head injury and died at the location."

Road safety charity Brake backed the Glymond family's call for a change in the law.

A spokeswoman said: "It's astounding that self-employed taxi drivers can drive for 24 hours a day if they choose. Brake is calling for driving hours to form part of the licence conditions.

"Driver tiredness is one of the biggest killers on our roads. Too little sleep radically affects our ability to drive and the result, as in this case and all too often, is death and horrific injury."

Sewell, who has not entered a plea to the careless driving charge, is due to appear at Barnsley Magistrates' Court in January.

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The inquest heard Gary's alcohol level was almost twice the drink-drive limit at the time of his death.


That seems to answer one question.

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Don't skid marks reveal the awareness of the driver as per when they first braked


I shouldn't think so they may indicate how close to the person they where when they braked and how fast they were travelling, also something to do with how hard they braked due to the depths or nature of the mark left on the road surface which will give an indication of how suddenly they braked. I don't think any of it will give an indication of how alert or how tired the driver was.


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Are you suggesting PH firms dont have health and safety polcies and dont have risk assessments?

Now thats naughty


If that's naughty then naughty I am :shock:

They probably do have these things stuffed in a drawer somewhere just in case but realistically they're probably doodled to death and not worth the paper their written on

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If that's naughty then naughty I am :shock:

They probably do have these things stuffed in a drawer somewhere just in case but realistically they're probably doodled to death and not worth the paper their written on


I knew you were.

I would have thought the driver hours would have been criticised by the coroner, that doesnt seem to have been the case.

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http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/justice4gary/


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http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/justice4gary/


I dont blame the parents TBH, I think I'd be the same if it happened to one of my kids, cant for the life of me understand the driver.

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The statements from his mates should be interesting in respect of how much drink this young man consumed.

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Gary Glymond had been to Oakwell to watch Barnsley beat Chelsea on Saturday afternoon before celebrating his 18th with family and friends.

Jubilant Gary had joined his dad Martin and uncles in the Grey Horse in Barnsley Old Town after the FA Cup quarter final victory at Oakwell for a celebratory drink.

He then went to his home in Huddersfield Road to get changed before going to the town centre to join friends for a night of celebration.

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Will the private driver have the wherewithal to try and locate the taxi that dropped off the young man?

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Gary Glymond had been to Oakwell to watch Barnsley beat Chelsea on Saturday afternoon before celebrating his 18th with family and friends.

Jubilant Gary had joined his dad Martin and uncles in the Grey Horse in Barnsley Old Town after the FA Cup quarter final victory at Oakwell for a celebratory drink.

He then went to his home in Huddersfield Road to get changed before going to the town centre to join friends for a night of celebration.
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Can anyone from that neck of the woods describe the road layout?

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