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I think it's better to have Brake on your side when dealing with the authorities.

When they are against your position it's best not to mention them to said authorities. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


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Whats this :?


Its sky channels :wink:


Are these the naughty chanels or are they the boys driving motor car chanels

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Are these the naughty chanels or are they the boys driving motor car chanels


You're partially correct :wink:

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HELD: Hours spent at a minicab office awaiting work counted towards hours worked for the purposes of Income Support Payments

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Whilst I appreciate that people who are a little worse for wear can be a hazard to any driver on the road a taxi driver should be more than use to this kind of thing and should be prepared to anticipate the possible actions of people around and about especially given the time of day this accident occured. Also IMO tiredness does slow you down or more to the point slows your reactions down and not necessarily the speed of your vehicle. If this driver was speeding and his reactions are slower it would certainly IMO give rise to an accident happening before you realise and have the opportunity to react.


The charge for causing death by tiredness is death by dangerous driving and carries a maximum sentence of 14 years. Obviously the police couldn't prove tiredness or even dangerous driving. Don't skid marks reveal the awareness of the driver as per when they first braked? If the driver was tired and falling asleep he would have probably breaked after he hit the pedestrian. When the case goes to court we will know all the facts.

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If the Pedestrian suddenly bolted out of an unseen area maybe the Driver didnt have time to hit the brakes whether he was Bright as a button or Dog tired...Seems like the family of the deceased just may have one massive dislike for all things Taxi related. One incident serious as it is should not change the ability of tens of thousands of Taxi drivers from trying to make a half decent living..it should be put into context that it was an unlucky accident. Sadly i fear that the very People that will Sieze on this incident are the very same do good Zealot type people that won't be happy until we are all living in their idea of a green utopia which involves no cars or lorrys. Im guessing these type of people think that the 6 billion people inhabiting earth can all live happily ever after without having to work hard or incur the occasional mishap along the way...

If we endure much more in the way of work hour directives and over regulation overkill we will all end up going to hell in a handcart..Dogooders and wrongdoers alike. We will be so hamstrung that working in a practical and profitable manner will become impossible in our so called civilised country and only counties with a more common sense approach to life will prosper...and sadly none of these common sense countries are in the Rules and directives loving EU, a place where the unelected with to much time on their hands make mischief simply because they have nothing better to do..


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I dont disagree bloodnock, but surely the fact of the matter is that in many areas the only way to make a decent percieved wage is to do excessive hours?

As toots touched on, taxi and ph offices taking on too many cabs, low fares dictated by local authorities, oversupply of hackney carriages, the changes to licensing hours, all equate to the old adage of drivers having to work longer to make ends meet.

I don't have an opinion on this by the way, I have an open mind.

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I dont disagree bloodnock, but surely the fact of the matter is that in many areas the only way to make a decent percieved wage is to do excessive hours?

As toots touched on, taxi and ph offices taking on too many cabs, low fares dictated by local authorities, oversupply of hackney carriages, the changes to licensing hours, all equate to the old adage of drivers having to work longer to make ends meet.

I don't have an opinion on this by the way, I have an open mind.

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Fewer cabs Equal longer hours to Carry out a given amount of work.....More cabs Equals more competition thus creating longer hours in order to make a living. Its a Catch 22 either way. and people wont be willing to pay twice as much in fares to allow us to work half as long to make up the same wage.

I do have an Opinion....Open minds observe...people with opinions hopefully change things.


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If the Pedestrian suddenly bolted out of an unseen area maybe the Driver didnt have time to hit the brakes whether he was Bright as a button or Dog tired...Seems like the family of the deceased just may have one massive dislike for all things Taxi related. One incident serious as it is should not change the ability of tens of thousands of Taxi drivers from trying to make a half decent living..it should be put into context that it was an unlucky accident. Sadly i fear that the very People that will Sieze on this incident are the very same do good Zealot type people that won't be happy until we are all living in their idea of a green utopia which involves no cars or lorrys. Im guessing these type of people think that the 6 billion people inhabiting earth can all live happily ever after without having to work hard or incur the occasional mishap along the way...


All very possibly true. The fact that this driver admitted that he had been working 14 hours just gives ammunition to those who say we can't be trusted to be sensible. Truth is - and we all know it - 14 hours isn't even that unusual. One guy I know up here does a 23 hour shift every Friday from 6am to 5am, drives home 15 miles and is back on shift (having driven back into the city) by 12 Noon. He then does 17 more hours before driving home.
That's 40 hours in a period of 47, plus travelling time. And it's perfectly legal FFS.

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If we endure much more in the way of work hour directives and over regulation overkill we will all end up going to hell in a handcart..Dogooders and wrongdoers alike. We will be so hamstrung that working in a practical and profitable manner will become impossible in our so called civilised country and only counties with a more common sense approach to life will prosper...and sadly none of these common sense countries are in the Rules and directives loving EU, a place where the unelected with to much time on their hands make mischief simply because they have nothing better to do..


Perhaps we should look at why it should be neccesary in this day and age for anyone to work these sort of crazy hours.
If it is need, then there is something very wrong with this trade.
If it's greed, then the greedy should have the book thrown at them.

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Fewer cabs Equal longer hours to Carry out a given amount of work.....

I disagree. Fewer hours for everyone means less time sitting waiting for the next job. You don't make money sitting on a rank waiting or hanging around until the office gives you a job.

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More cabs Equals more competition thus creating longer hours in order to make a living.


Agreed.
Limited hours would mean fewer cabs on the road at any given time.

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If the Pedestrian suddenly bolted out of an unseen area maybe the Driver didnt have time to hit the brakes whether he was Bright as a button or Dog tired...Seems like the family of the deceased just may have one massive dislike for all things Taxi related. One incident serious as it is should not change the ability of tens of thousands of Taxi drivers from trying to make a half decent living..it should be put into context that it was an unlucky accident. Sadly i fear that the very People that will Sieze on this incident are the very same do good Zealot type people that won't be happy until we are all living in their idea of a green utopia which involves no cars or lorrys. Im guessing these type of people think that the 6 billion people inhabiting earth can all live happily ever after without having to work hard or incur the occasional mishap along the way...


All very possibly true. The fact that this driver admitted that he had been working 14 hours just gives ammunition to those who say we can't be trusted to be sensible. Truth is - and we all know it - 14 hours isn't even that unusual. One guy I know up here does a 23 hour shift every Friday from 6am to 5am, drives home 15 miles and is back on shift (having driven back into the city) by 12 Noon. He then does 17 more hours before driving home.
That's 40 hours in a period of 47, plus travelling time. And it's perfectly legal FFS.

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If we endure much more in the way of work hour directives and over regulation overkill we will all end up going to hell in a handcart..Dogooders and wrongdoers alike. We will be so hamstrung that working in a practical and profitable manner will become impossible in our so called civilised country and only counties with a more common sense approach to life will prosper...and sadly none of these common sense countries are in the Rules and directives loving EU, a place where the unelected with to much time on their hands make mischief simply because they have nothing better to do..


Perhaps we should look at why it should be neccesary in this day and age for anyone to work these sort of crazy hours.
If it is need, then there is something very wrong with this trade.
If it's greed, then the greedy should have the book thrown at them.


Im not sure its Greed, more like Necessity....an employee gets a Mininum rate of pay...us poor self employed dont, we have to take what work we can get and when we can get it, I do hundred hour weeks..but only about 30 hours might be actual driving time..some weeks a bit more other weeks a bit less. had I to work only 48 hours a week id be Feched...however had I to Drive no more than 48 hours a week and be able to do other Non driving parts of the Job beyond that time I'd probably be OK...its all a matter of what regulations they try and put in place..over all hours or Driving hours...anyway as self employed i guess it dont matter to me the 48 hour rule..


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I do hundred hour weeks..but only about 30 hours might be actual driving time..some weeks a bit more other weeks a bit less. had I to work only 48 hours a week id be Feched...


You wouldn't be fecked if everyone else was in the same boat....you would be much busier when you were working. Same money, less hours.

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100hr weeks? that's excessive by any stretch of the imagination.

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gusmac wrote:
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I do hundred hour weeks..but only about 30 hours might be actual driving time..some weeks a bit more other weeks a bit less. had I to work only 48 hours a week id be Feched...


You wouldn't be fecked if everyone else was in the same boat....you would be much busier when you were working. Same money, less hours.


If we were all in the same boat we'd all be Fecked, the Sums dont add up, to Many people chasing to few customers, this compounded by a Recession and in some case compounded still further by Demographic and Geographic issues, Rich and poor parts of the country...In truth we can never all be in the same Boat as there are to many Variables affecting each of us differently...


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