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I suppose the womans version of events that there was a minimal amount of mess stands for nothing. Any reasonable person would have no doubt charged on the severity of the mess?

How much mess can a child who had been vomiting all day before getting into a cab make? Does anyone really understand the capacity of a two year olds childs stomach and its maximum daily intake of food.

At some stage your stomach empties and vomit ceases.

My opinion is that the lady was probably ripped off.

Its rather extreme to have a car valeted after a cild of two has made no more than a small mess.

This lady has probably been ripped off which in law amounts to extortion.

When presented with the facts on show if any of you guys believe this driver had to have his car valeted then shame on you.

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I would charge a drunk the full amount every time ......... but on this occasion I totally agree with JD...... but then.... I am kind and considerate .


by all accounts that's cos the child would have been in the boot and being sick in the boot isn't quite as bad as being sick in the cab itself :wink:

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I suppose the womans version of events that there was a minimal amount of mess stands for nothing. Any reasonable person would have no doubt charged on the severity of the mess?

How much mess can a child who had been vomiting all day before getting into a cab make? Does anyone really understand the capacity of a two year olds childs stomach and its maximum daily intake of food.

At some stage your stomach empties and vomit ceases.

My opinion is that the lady was probably ripped off.

Its rather extreme to have a car valeted after a cild of two has made no more than a small mess.

This lady has probably been ripped off which in law amounts to extortion.

When presented with the facts on show if any of you guys believe this driver had to have his car valeted then shame on you.

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I would charge a drunk the full amount every time ......... but on this occasion I totally agree with JD...... but then.... I am kind and considerate .


by all accounts that's cos the child would have been in the boot and being sick in the boot isn't quite as bad as being sick in the cab itself :wink:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

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This lady was that convinced she had been ripped off that she complained to Cheltenham licensing department. Now the licensing department tell me the matter has been resolved but they wouldn't say whether the lady had got her £50 back? However when I phoned the taxi/ph firm A2B cabs the boss informed me no money had been payed from his office, Which leads me to believe the woman was fobbed off. Unless of course the driver paid the money back himself.

I asked the enforcement officer if he had investigaated the bookings of this cab firm for the relevant dates in order to determine whether or not this driver carried on working after he had extracted the fifty pounds from this young lady, he said he hadn't inspected the bookings.

I'm therefore of the opinion that unless the driver did refund the money then the licensing department have completely whitewashed this whole complaint.

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This lady was that convinced she had been ripped off that she complained to Cheltenham licensing department. Now the licensing department tell me the matter has been resolved but they wouldn't say whether the lady had got her £50 back? However when I phoned the taxi/ph firm A2B cabs the boss informed me no money had been payed from his office, Which leads me to believe the woman was fobbed off. Unless of course the driver paid the money back himself.

I asked the enforcement officer if he had investigaated the bookings of this cab firm for the relevant dates in order to determine whether or not this driver carried on working after he had extracted the fifty pounds from this young lady, he said he hadn't inspected the bookings.

I'm therefore of the opinion that unless the driver did refund the money then the licensing department have completely whitewashed this whole complaint.

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Or they could have pointed out that because the child had in fact been sick in the car, this has been admmitted, the quantity of sick is immaterial, that the driver/company was within it's rights to charge the soiling fee.

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How much mess can a child who had been vomiting all day before getting into a cab make?


you would be suprised.....


I've been vomiting on an empty stomach for the last two months so I am hardly surpised However if you think that a person can discharge something in their stomach that doesn't exist then we need to know your reasons for thinking that?

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after food has been ejected, there follows bile then stomach lining and probably other stuff we dont really wanna know about


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and carrots

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Or they could have pointed out that because the child had in fact been sick in the car, this has been admmitted, the quantity of sick is immaterial, that the driver/company was within it's rights to charge the soiling fee.


The quantity of sick is very material and whether a wipe or a valet is required is also material.

The tarrif sheet states the following,

or other passengers or their animals soil the vehicle requiring cleaning/valeting a charge of £50.00 is payable.

Now this driver said the vehicle needed valeting, I say he is liar and the only way the truth is going to come out is if the LO ever gets off his azz and toddles down to A2B cabs and drags out the work sheets.

You either believe the driver or you don't I'm in the don't category.

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Your post clearly says CLEANING /VALETING incurs a charge of £50. It does not state anything regarding the extent of the cleaning. Therfore it doesn't matter whether we agree with the situation, the driver was within his rights to charge the fee. Now obviously if the seats are leather, plastic or something similar a simple wipe would probably suffice but if the seats are cloth then a more deep clean will be neccesary. Do we know what the seat covering was?

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Your post clearly says CLEANING /VALETING incurs a charge of £50. It does not state anything regarding the extent of the cleaning. Therfore it doesn't matter whether we agree with the situation, the driver was within his rights to charge the fee. Now obviously if the seats are leather, plastic or something similar a simple wipe would probably suffice but if the seats are cloth then a more deep clean will be neccesary. Do we know what the seat covering was?


A court of law will not see fifty pounds for cleaning as being retrospect for every degree of cleaning. What they will do is count fifty pounds as being the maximum and consider each case on its merits along with the evidence provided. If a driver is only off the road for five minutes then the court will rightly presume that the cleaning was minimal and should be charged accordingly, however if the vehicle was off the road for a day because it needed valetting or exstensive cleaning then the court might rightly be swayed to the top end of the scale.

Just because the tariff card says fifty pounds don't expect a court of law to have its mind closed to justice.

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I don't think it matters weather it is a cloth seat or leather or plastic , it is a very nasty job cleaning a stranger sick up . I had one last Saturday night I even had to take the door card off as they tried to get out the window, and it went between the glass and the inner rubber and into the recess between the door and the door card. I have charged a £100, my councils price is £72.50 but seeing I have had to take the door card out and remove the back seat due to it going behind that as well I think I have justification.


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Anyone who gets a sickie should be able to charge qhat they want within reason, if your off the road on a Saturday night due to a drunk the driver deserves to be compensated for his time off cleaning the car. If I have a sickie I charge £50 on top of the Councils stated price.


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I don't think it matters weather it is a cloth seat or leather or plastic , it is a very nasty job cleaning a stranger sick up . I had one last Saturday night I even had to take the door card off as they tried to get out the window, and it went between the glass and the inner rubber and into the recess between the door and the door card. I have charged a £100, my councils price is £72.50 but seeing I have had to take the door card out and remove the back seat due to it going behind that as well I think I have justification.


Legitimate claims are legitimate claims and no one is disputing that fact. What is being disputed here is in my opinion an illigitimate claim and I can assure you there are just as many of those as there are legitimate claims.

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She said she even took a bucket with her in the taxi to try to prevent any mess going on to the seats.


Perhaps he filled the bucket up :roll:

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theres ALWAYS carrots in puke, even if youve NEVER EVER eaten any


You forgot the chips and ham as well :shock:

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The grave misconception amongst cab drivers is that 99.9% of them think they have a right to demand a soiling charge just because it says so on the tarrif card. The fact is that cab drivers don't have the right to demand anything they only have the right to request the passenger pays a charge. Demand and request is as chalk is to cheese. The reference to any soiling charge has no legal standing and is unenforceable as it is not an offence punishable by any act of parliament or any bye law. The matter is pure and simple a civil matter. Therefore any demanding amounts to extortion.

Considering such reference to soiling charge has no legal standing then the amount of compensation requested for such an event could be any amount the driver feels he may have lost in making good the damage done to his vehicle. However the pitfalls of securing any moneys whatsoever are too numerous to mention.

So just because you have a little card in the back of your cab saying this that and t'other about soiling charges don't think it gives you the legal right to demand anything. The only legal way is through compromise or through the civil court.

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As much as I love to disagree with JD... on this occasion I think he is perfectly correct... and for a driver to take advantage of a distraught woman with a sick child going to hospital..... what can you say..... I know it wouldn't be me.... But it looks like it could well be some of you :oops:

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