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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:31 pm 
Anonymous wrote:
How can you fully represent your members if you don't know the rules of your trade? Don't you and your members have to have a copy of the by-laws in the cab at all times? Are you not supposed to familiarise yourself with those by laws. I admire your effort at representing others but in order to give them good representation don't you think you should be leading from the front?

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Under the Gateshead terms and conditions a copy of the terms and conditions must be carried in all vehicles all of the time. On local issues therefore ALL drivers have the rules in their own cars.

In order to give them "good representation" you need to go into the council and ask for what the people you represent have told you to ask for. If, in order to get whatever they want, you need to quote Law its better to get that information from a specialist lawyer than to read it from a book.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:40 pm 
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Is this the Law according to Gateshead Angel?

Which act states a Hackney carriage can "stand" and ply for hire on any public street or highway other than one which has a designated Taxi Stand? Don't confuse plying for hire when in motion with forming an illegal Taxi rank at a place which is not designated as a Taxi rank by the commissioner or licensing body.

What does the law say about Hackney carriages immediately returning to a prescribed Hackney carriage stand?

:lol:


And what does the Law state about having a bail of hay in the boot Yorkie ?

Your argument again quotes Law when it suits.

There is no court anywhere in the land that would convict a licensed HC from plying for hire, providing he was doing so without causing an obstruction to other road users or pedestrians.

Maybe thats because if they would, those who choose to work on a circuit would have to return to the rank instead of heading towards the work, and thats in the best interest of the consumer innit you berk.

B. Lucky


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 6:48 pm 
Gateshead Angel wrote:
With regard parking up anywhere, he can, providing he is parking in a safe area in which he is legally allowed to park in accordance with traffic law and that area is within his own borough.


As long as his roof light is off. :shock:


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:31 pm 
Anonymous wrote:
Is this the Law according to Gateshead Angel?

Which act states a Hackney carriage can "stand" and ply for hire on any public street or highway other than one which has a designated Taxi Stand? Don't confuse plying for hire when in motion with forming an illegal Taxi rank at a place which is not designated as a Taxi rank by the commissioner or licensing body.

What does the law say about Hackney carriages immediately returning to a prescribed Hackney carriage stand?


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And what does the Law state about having a bail of hay in the boot Yorkie ?


What does the law state about having a bail of hay in the boot of a cab? And what act does it come from? You are so ignorant of the Law that you are one of these idiots who believe there actually is a law that mentions a bale of hay. Show us the legislation know all, or stop pontificating your own misguided interprations of our laws.

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Your argument again quotes Law when it suits.


I will always quote the correct law in any debate I get involved in, unlike you.

I'm quite prepared to let you quote the law provided you know what you're talking about? But all you have done so far is demonstrated your ignorance of the law.

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There is no court anywhere in the land that would convict a licensed HC from plying for hire, providing he was doing so without causing an obstruction to other road users or pedestrians.


So now you're pre judging our legal system. Do we tell the judge that gateshead angel said "it is ok to form an illegal Taxi rank" and therefore you can't convict me.

You and Nigel are like the blind leading the blind. You both participate in the politics of the Taxi trade yet you know sweet FA about its laws.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 3:54 pm 
Gateshead Angel wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Nidge wrote:
A H/C can park up anywhere and ply for hire, please correct me if I'm wrong?



Yes Nidge you are right, a HC is available for hire when he has no passenger in his vehicle providing he is within the boundries of his owm borough.

With regard parking up anywhere, he can, providing he is parking in a safe area in which he is legally allowed to park in accordance with traffic law and that area is within his own borough.

B. Lucky


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Taxi ranks.

There are approximately 500 taxi ranks in the London area. The purpose of taxi ranks is to provide the public with a set location where they can hire a licensed taxi. The rank is the only situation where a taxi may ply for hire in a stationary position.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:56 pm 
Jesus wept this "SUSSEX" guy spouts some rubbish doesnt he , go get your self a life mate , if your not sitting on your fat arse in your car 9 hrs a day ...your sitting on your fat :shock: arse in front of this screen for hrs on end .....WHAT A LIFE ...!!!!!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 9:08 am 
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Is this the Law according to Gateshead Angel?

Which act states a Hackney carriage can "stand" and ply for hire on any public street or highway other than one which has a designated Taxi Stand? Don't confuse plying for hire when in motion with forming an illegal Taxi rank at a place which is not designated as a Taxi rank by the commissioner or licensing body.

What does the law say about Hackney carriages immediately returning to a prescribed Hackney carriage stand?


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And what does the Law state about having a bail of hay in the boot Yorkie ?


What does the law state about having a bail of hay in the boot of a cab? And what act does it come from? You are so ignorant of the Law that you are one of these idiots who believe there actually is a law that mentions a bale of hay. Show us the legislation know all, or stop pontificating your own misguided interprations of our laws.

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Your argument again quotes Law when it suits.


I will always quote the correct law in any debate I get involved in, unlike you.

I'm quite prepared to let you quote the law provided you know what you're talking about? But all you have done so far is demonstrated your ignorance of the law.

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There is no court anywhere in the land that would convict a licensed HC from plying for hire, providing he was doing so without causing an obstruction to other road users or pedestrians.


So now you're pre judging our legal system. Do we tell the judge that gateshead angel said "it is ok to form an illegal Taxi rank" and therefore you can't convict me.

You and Nigel are like the blind leading the blind. You both participate in the politics of the Taxi trade yet you know sweet FA about its laws.



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 9:16 am 
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Jesus wept this "SUSSEX" guy spouts some rubbish doesnt he , go get your self a life mate , if your not sitting on your fat arse in your car 9 hrs a day ...your sitting on your fat :shock: arse in front of this screen for hrs on end .....WHAT A LIFE ...!!!!!

I thought most people called him a solicitor when they disagreed with him.

I think calling him a driver is a bit of a come down. :wink:


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Anonymous wrote:
Jesus wept this "SUSSEX" guy spouts some rubbish doesnt he , go get your self a life mate , if your not sitting on your fat arse in your car 9 hrs a day ...your sitting on your fat :shock: arse in front of this screen for hrs on end .....WHAT A LIFE ...!!!!!

I'm pleased that you have got that off your chest Mr Guest, now perhaps you can join in and discuss the issues at hand, not the inns and outs of the poster.

Of course that's if you have a view on anything. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:26 pm 
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What does the law state about having a bail of hay in the boot of a cab? And what act does it come from? You are so ignorant of the Law that you are one of these idiots who believe there actually is a law that mentions a bale of hay. Show us the legislation know all, or stop pontificating your own misguided interprations of our laws.

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Your argument again quotes Law when it suits.


I will always quote the correct law in any debate I get involved in, unlike you.

I'm quite prepared to let you quote the law provided you know what you're talking about? But all you have done so far is demonstrated your ignorance of the law.



What a complete waste of space you are, no wonder the best thing to come out of Yorkshire is a pudding.

I questioned your legal knowledge on another thread when I asked you the source of your quote. You replied "its not in the Beano", hey NO [edited by admin] SHERLOCK, but you will be well able to use your own response to answer your own question here, cause as the "law" you quote is not in the Beano my response is the same as the one you gave me.

I wonder why you hate me so, I wonder why you tell so many lies about me, I wonder about so many things Yorkie, Wharfie, Geoff, Gateshead Polterguist or when you want to be personally insulting Mr Guest, whatever you say your not prepared to tell the truth about yourself. If I don't sign on I always sign out the exact same way so people know its me, saying that we always know its you cause all we have to do is read all the [edited by admin] you write and we can guess thats its you.

Remember when you were proved to be wrong on several points during your time on TTFUK, you stayed away for a few days and claimed someone else had used your username and password as you had been on holiday.

The only thing consistant about you is your lying, you are of no consequence and from now on I will ignore you completely.

B. Lucky


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 8:10 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
gks wrote:
Do you have any facts available to support your assertion, please?
I expect you will find the exact data on the DfT Stats site.

That's not very helpful of you.

I asked you for evidence because, in this part of Lincolnshire, there are over 100 licensed public hire vehicles but less than 40 hackney carriages.

It therefore seemed to me that you were talking out of your arse (if you'll excuse the expression) when you said:
Sussex wrote:
You will find in areas that are de-limited and non-mandatory, PH are in the minority. Why because they are not needed."
but I thought a polite enquiry might bring forth the necessary evidence to support your assertion.

Might one presume that you are associated with the hackney carriage trade, rather than the private hire community? If so, that might go some way to explaining your rather outrageous and highly-prejudiced views. I will, naturally, be prepared to retract if you can produce the evidence to support the views you have expressed.


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Well if you can't be bothered to check the stats, then I doubt I will.

But please tell me why a PH would remain so, if the area they worked didn't have mandatory WAVs, didn't have plate premiums, and didn't have a seperate knowledge?

Or is that just common sense?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 9:33 pm 
Sussex wrote:
But please tell me why a PH would remain so, if the area they worked didn't have mandatory WAVs, didn't have plate premiums, and didn't have a seperate knowledge?

Or is that just common sense?


Your right SM, PH wouldn't remain but I fear ther is to many if's.

I also suspect that if everyone was to be licensed as a HC a string of unlicensed "minicabs" would appear to meet the demand for pre bookings.

The OFT investigation was intended to show how consumers demands could be met properly and not to meet your demands for a plate.

B. Lucky


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 10:50 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
Well if you can't be bothered to check the stats, then I doubt I will.

The statistics that have been published for England & Wales do not appear to support your earlier assertion:
Sussex wrote:
You will find in areas that are de-limited and non-mandatory, PH are in the minority. Why because they are not needed.
In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I fear that I shall have to draw the obvious conclusion as to the degree of reliance that can be placed on your postings.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 7:31 am 
Perhaps GKS you could tell us why a hundred PH would remain PH, if they had the same licensing conditions? You know your area better than most.

Some drivers will drive nice motors that they dont want signs on. But its got to be better, if the criteria is the same, to be able to pick up off the streets, than not being able to pick up off the streets.


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