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Isn't it amazing... whenever a post like this comes up.... it goes extreme quiet from the derestriction brigade... :lol:

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Isn't it amazing... whenever a post like this comes up.... it goes extreme quiet from the derestriction brigade... :lol:


You mean there are people on here who actually think this is a good idea :shock:

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Isn't it strange that the gorra plates always cite examples from a foreign land which threw away all regulations, to justify keeping their own selfish empires?

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The sad thing about Eire is the fact that they failed to understand the consequences should the courts ever do what they did. Coupled with the fact that they failed to have in place a policy of quality control of drivers or vehicles. Therefore a large part of the blame for the current situation lies firmly with the Government and those hackney carriage owners who were quite happy to go along with the staus quo.

It should be remembered that it was the high court that deregulated and not the Government.

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Isn't it strange that the gorra plates always cite examples from a foreign land which threw away all regulations, to justify keeping their own selfish empires?
An example is an example no matter which country it originates from..... only the stupid ignore......

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The sad thing about Eire is the fact that they failed to understand the consequences should the courts ever do what they did. Coupled with the fact that they failed to have in place a policy of quality control of drivers or vehicles. Therefore a large part of the blame for the current situation lies firmly with the Government and those hackney carriage owners who were quite happy to go along with the staus quo.

It should be remembered that it was the high court that deregulated and not the Government.

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They were only Taxi Drivers after all.

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Isn't it strange that the gorra plates always cite examples from a foreign land which threw away all regulations, to justify keeping their own selfish empires?
An example is an example no matter which country it originates from..... only the stupid ignore......


Why cast up the spectre of something nobody wants?
This is just a red herring, intended to scare the foolish into line - or should I say keep them paying rentals?
Sad thing is how easily they believe it. Ching Ching

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Isn't it strange that the gorra plates always cite examples from a foreign land which threw away all regulations, to justify keeping their own selfish empires?
An example is an example no matter which country it originates from..... only the stupid ignore......


Why cast up the spectre of something nobody wants?
This is just a red herring, intended to scare the foolish into line - or should I say keep them paying rentals?
Sad thing is how easily they believe it. Ching Ching
You might not want it but that doesn't mean you don't get it. you also might like to check-up on the vehicles that they have to present. and also the cost of the licence. I seem to remember reading it was in the region of £10,000 payable to the Government.....I see they have come down in price they're only €6,300

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Isn't it strange that the gorra plates always cite examples from a foreign land which threw away all regulations, to justify keeping their own selfish empires?
An example is an example no matter which country it originates from..... only the stupid ignore......


Why cast up the spectre of something nobody wants?
This is just a red herring, intended to scare the foolish into line - or should I say keep them paying rentals?
Sad thing is how easily they believe it. Ching Ching
You might not want it but that doesn't mean you don't get it. you also might like to check-up on the vehicles that they have to present. and also the cost of the licence. I seem to remember reading it was in the region of £10,000 payable to the Government.....


Most if not all of us on here who want delimitation aren't asking for the government to sell plates. We want an end to the limiting of licence numbers. Where ever they limit the number of taxis, an artificial market is created for those limited licences. This only benefits those who hold these licences and exploits those who do not.
If your concern was really for drivers' incomes, why don't you advocate restricting driver licences?
No profit for the greedy in that, is there? You can't buy/sell or hire out a driver's licence.

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I see they have come down in price they're only €6,300

Hmm, thats about £6000. How much does a plate go for where you are?
How much does it cost in rental per annum in your manor?
How many drivers rent the same cab?
Paying the govt or paying some carpet-bagger, makes little difference to anyone except the carpet-bagger.

BTW after the complete shambles made by the Irish, who do you suppose is going to copy their licensing model?

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Is it that bad were you are that you would actually advocate bringing in more regulations to stop a man from earning a living to feed his family....

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Taxi-drivers to stage Dublin airport protest

Taxi-drivers are to hold a protest at Dublin Airport next week as part of a Siptu campaign aimed at establishing an independent board where drivers can appeal decisions by the Taxi Regulator.

A Siptu source said taxis taking part in the action on Monday morning will drop passengers at the airport as normal but will then not pick up passengers at arrivals. He said it is expected drivers who are not members of Siptu will follow suit.

The protest is being staged from 7.00am to 11.00am to target business passengers arriving in Dublin, he said.

Sitpu branch organiser Jerry Brennan said drivers were angry that they had no right to appeal decisions by the regulator under legislation.

He said the union has been in talks with two successive ministers for transport in two governments without reaching a satisfactory agreement.

Mr Brennan said the protest was originally planned for earlier this month but was postponed following representations to the Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport.

“While we welcome the interest of the Committee it appears that there will be no change in Government policy,” he said. “This leaves our members in the position that, unlike other workers, they have no access to the Rights Commissioner Service, the Labour Relations Commission or the Labour Court.”

The sole recourse for drivers who wish to appeal is the advisory council to the Commission for Taxi Regulation. “There is no requirement on the regulator to take that advice. We are seeking an independent appeals board that will be able to hear appeals from decisions of the regulator,” he said.

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Is it that bad were you are that you would actually advocate bringing in more regulations to stop a man from earning a living to feed his family....


No it isn't. I am suggesting to you a fairer way to protect drivers' earnings, if that is really what you want. Sounds like you want it both ways :? Or is it just another red herring?
A man would have more money to feed his family if he didn't have to pay off some benevolant cab owner every week. :idea:

Face it, you don't limit the number of joiners by limiting hammers and saws. They'd just hire them instead. And of course someone who has plenty for hire makes a killing.....and they would probably spend lots of time convincing joiners, and anyone else who will listen, that joiners are all doomed if they all own their own hammers and saws... :shock:
If you really want a limit to protect drivers' earnings, you limit the competition - not their tools.

Limiting the number of cabs does NOT protect drivers earnings.
Let's say an unrestricted area has 1000 cabs. Most, if not all are single shifted, so lets say 1200 drivers make a living from these cabs.
LA then brings in a limit of 1000 cabs. Drivers are not limited, so what happens? Pretty soon nearly every cab is double shifted, some will have 3 drivers. Result: 2000 or so drivers are making a much smaller living from the same 1000 cabs.
Guys who own 1 cab have to double shift in order to keep their earnings level up, since the amount of competition has increased by well over 50%, resulting in a proportionate decrease in income. The only other choice is to sell their cab and leave the trade.
Drivers without their own cab have to find around £2-300 a week to hire one.
The only people's making more from this? Those who gain rental income by hiring cabs to several drivers.
Double shifted, each cab can generate £500+ P/W for the lucky owner, instead of the £200 or so it made before restriction.
That's £26k per year x how many cabs?
A lot of wedge for little effort. Nice little earner for someone.

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Is it that bad were you are that you would actually advocate bringing in more regulations to stop a man from earning a living to feed his family....


No it isn't. I am suggesting to you a fairer way to protect drivers' earnings, if that is really what you want. Sounds like you want it both ways :? Or is it just another red herring?
A man would have more money to feed his family if he didn't have to pay off some benevolant cab owner every week. :idea:

Face it, you don't limit the number of joiners by limiting hammers and saws. They'd just hire them instead. And of course someone who has plenty for hire makes a killing.....and they would probably spend lots of time convincing joiners, and anyone else who will listen, that joiners are all doomed if they all own their own hammers and saws... :shock:
If you really want a limit to protect drivers' earnings, you limit the competition - not their tools.

Limiting the number of cabs does NOT protect drivers earnings.
Let's say an unrestricted area has 1000 cabs. Most, if not all are single shifted, so lets say 1200 drivers make a living from these cabs.
LA then brings in a limit of 1000 cabs. Drivers are not limited, so what happens? Pretty soon nearly every cab is double shifted, some will have 3 drivers. Result: 2000 or so drivers are making a much smaller living from the same 1000 cabs.
Guys who own 1 cab have to double shift in order to keep their earnings level up, since the amount of competition has increased by well over 50%, resulting in a proportionate decrease in income. The only other choice is to sell their cab and leave the trade.
Drivers without their own cab have to find around £2-300 a week to hire one.
The only people's making more from this? Those who gain rental income by hiring cabs to several drivers.
Double shifted, each cab can generate £500+ P/W for the lucky owner, instead of the £200 or so it made before restriction.
That's £26k per year x how many cabs?
A lot of wedge for little effort. Nice little earner for someone.
Give my regards to Alice... the Mad Hatter... and that nice little dormouse

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Is it that bad were you are that you would actually advocate bringing in more regulations to stop a man from earning a living to feed his family....


No it isn't. I am suggesting to you a fairer way to protect drivers' earnings, if that is really what you want. Sounds like you want it both ways :? Or is it just another red herring?
A man would have more money to feed his family if he didn't have to pay off some benevolant cab owner every week. :idea:

Face it, you don't limit the number of joiners by limiting hammers and saws. They'd just hire them instead. And of course someone who has plenty for hire makes a killing.....and they would probably spend lots of time convincing joiners, and anyone else who will listen, that joiners are all doomed if they all own their own hammers and saws... :shock:
If you really want a limit to protect drivers' earnings, you limit the competition - not their tools.

Limiting the number of cabs does NOT protect drivers earnings.
Let's say an unrestricted area has 1000 cabs. Most, if not all are single shifted, so lets say 1200 drivers make a living from these cabs.
LA then brings in a limit of 1000 cabs. Drivers are not limited, so what happens? Pretty soon nearly every cab is double shifted, some will have 3 drivers. Result: 2000 or so drivers are making a much smaller living from the same 1000 cabs.
Guys who own 1 cab have to double shift in order to keep their earnings level up, since the amount of competition has increased by well over 50%, resulting in a proportionate decrease in income. The only other choice is to sell their cab and leave the trade.
Drivers without their own cab have to find around £2-300 a week to hire one.
The only people's making more from this? Those who gain rental income by hiring cabs to several drivers.
Double shifted, each cab can generate £500+ P/W for the lucky owner, instead of the £200 or so it made before restriction.
That's £26k per year x how many cabs?
A lot of wedge for little effort. Nice little earner for someone.
Give my regards to Alice... the Mad Hatter... and that nice little dormouse


No problem Trev.
Give my regards to all those grateful drivers and their hard pressed families, as you collect their rentals. Keep telling them how fortunate they are handing over all that cash to you for the right to work.
Without you, they are nothing and couldn't possibly manage.
Oh and don't forget to show the poor unfortunates how to claim tax credits, so the can get back from the rest of us, some of the money they give to you every week. :wink:

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Oh and don't forget to show the poor unfortunates how to claim tax credits, so the can get back from the rest of us, some of the money they give to you every week. :wink:


You mean like a significant number of owner drivers in deregulated areas then?

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