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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:19 pm 
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Oh and don't forget to show the poor unfortunates how to claim tax credits, so the can get back from the rest of us, some of the money they give to you every week. :wink:


You mean like a significant number of owner drivers in deregulated areas then?

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Does anyone in a deregulated area pay rental to Mr T?

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Does anyone in a deregulated area pay rental to Mr T?


No but a good number pay rent to offices, and collect income support.

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Does anyone in a deregulated area pay rental to Mr T?


No but a good number pay rent to offices, and collect income support.

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Not legally they don't. Tax credits maybe but not Income Support.

Now before you two change the subject, as you normally do when faced with anything you can't answer, tell me this:

As a well know champion of the plate barons and a former plate baron yourself, perhaps you could explain how the benevolant plate holders protect drivers' earnings?
Preferably without saying anything along the lines of "look what happened to the Irish"

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Not legally they don't. Tax credits maybe but not Income Support.

Now before you two change the subject, as you normally do when faced with anything you can't answer, tell me this:

As a well know champion of the plate barons and a former plate baron yourself, perhaps you could explain how the benevolant plate holders protect drivers' earnings?
Preferably without saying anything along the lines of "look what happened to the Irish"


The market is regulated and regularly monitored, as per guidance, this should ideally ensure demand keeps steady with supply, therefore oversupply will not happen. Thus protecting or at the very least going towards limiting then affect of the times we find ourselves in.

I meant tax credits, sorry for the confusion.

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The market is regulated and regularly monitored, as per guidance, this should ideally ensure demand keeps steady with supply, therefore oversupply will not happen. Thus protecting or at the very least going towards limiting then affect of the times we find ourselves in.




That's not an answer - it's gobledygook. Verbal Diarrhoea worthy of a NuLab spin doctor.
It's also an insult to those who's incomes you profess to be protecting.
Fancy trying to explain that in language the average cab driver would understand? Or do you think they are all too thick to follow the argument?

Perhaps you should take the spoken english test as well. :wink:

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That's not an answer - it's gobledygook. Verbal Diarrhoea worthy of a NuLab spin doctor.
It's also an insult to those who's incomes you profess to be protecting.
Fancy trying to explain that in language the average cab driver would understand? Or do you think they are all too thick to follow the argument?

Perhaps you should take the spoken english test as well. :wink:


No, its not the answer you wanted, hence your hostility.

If you read it again, and then maybe again, then maybe take a degree in English Literature you'll see my point that a regulated system protects incomes as well as assesses demand.

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That's not an answer - it's gobledygook. Verbal Diarrhoea worthy of a NuLab spin doctor.
It's also an insult to those who's incomes you profess to be protecting.
Fancy trying to explain that in language the average cab driver would understand? Or do you think they are all too thick to follow the argument?

Perhaps you should take the spoken english test as well. :wink:


No, its not the answer you wanted, hence your hostility.

If you read it again, and then maybe again, then maybe take a degree in English Literature you'll see my point that a regulated system protects incomes as well as assesses demand.

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bollux :roll:

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bollux :roll:


A concise argument?

:roll:

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bollux :roll:


A concise argument?

:roll:

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It makes more sense than yours :lol:

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It makes more sense than yours :lol:


yes....but it doesnt lead to starvation :lol:

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It makes more sense than yours :lol:


yes....but it doesnt lead to starvation :lol:

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You sure?

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Gussy, All you are trying to suggest is that you move the goalposts to where they suit you, and at that point close the door to anyone else coming in, or at least make it extremely difficult to open.

The minute the noisy minority start spouting the words 'taxi baron', 'vested interest' , 'greedy owners' and so on, they immediately alienate themselves from anyone with any commonsense, for it simply paints a picture of paranoia, jealously, inadequacy and a lack of ability to stand on their own two feet.

As for the argument relating to hammers, saws, cement mixers and every other builder's tool, it is just farcical. You might have noticed that the vast majority of joiners and suchlike work for the big building firms and small companies, a lot of whom are now being made redundant.

When you rip off Mr & Mrs Skull's reasoning you must surely expect to be laughed at.

If you care to look around you in this country, you will see the effects of removal of regulations and control that has happened over the last twenty years or so. This country is now fricked and will be for some time to come. Remember the words .... market forces....I am sure people will remember them, especially the people who are being made redundant, and of course those who are losing their homes, and the rest of us who are standing gobsmacked watching billions upon billions of our taxes being poured into all of these deregulated industries.

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Gussy, All you are trying to suggest is that you move the goalposts to where they suit you, and at that point close the door to anyone else coming in, or at least make it extremely difficult to open.


While you prefer to have a constant stream of new drivers for your cabs, thus keeping rental fees high. This still effectively barrs entry to the trade since there are not enough cabs to go round. Those who can't get a drive are still shut out. The only difference is that those who do secure a drive have to pay extra to someone like you. That means working longer hours to cover it.

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The minute the noisy minority start spouting the words 'taxi baron', 'vested interest' , 'greedy owners' and so on, they immediately alienate themselves from anyone with any commonsense, for it simply paints a picture of paranoia, jealously, inadequacy and a lack of ability to stand on their own two feet.


If the cap fits, wear it.
I have nothing to lose here. I have my own taxi, I drive it myself and would probably gain if numbers were limited. I wouldn't try to exploit another driver and pretend I was doing him a favour by stopping him from having his own cab.
Commonsense BTW would lead to owners reducing rental fees and offices reducing radio charges, to help struggling drivers.
How many benevolent owners or offices are actually doing this? Are you?

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As for the argument relating to hammers, saws, cement mixers and every other builder's tool, it is just farcical. You might have noticed that the vast majority of joiners and suchlike work for the big building firms and small companies, a lot of whom are now being made redundant.


Fact is, they had the choice of whether to work for themselves or someone else. They still have that choice. You deny the same choice to drivers.

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When you rip off Mr & Mrs Skull's reasoning you must surely expect to be laughed at.


I draw my own conclusions, thanks. I certainly wouldn't accept yours.

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If you care to look around you in this country, you will see the effects of removal of regulations and control that has happened over the last twenty years or so. This country is now fricked and will be for some time to come. Remember the words .... market forces....I am sure people will remember them, especially the people who are being made redundant, and of course those who are losing their homes, and the rest of us who are standing gobsmacked watching billions upon billions of our taxes being poured into all of these deregulated industries.


I don't have a problem with the concept of regulation. I have a problem with those who use that regulation to their own ends, while pretending to look after the very people they exploit. There is nothing wrong with regulation if it is done properly, impartially and to the benefit of all.

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You do like to make statements don't you, and obviously because you say it's true it must be true, but all your statements are based on assumptions..... to me that make you silly. :wink:

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I think gus is offering up the question should numbers control be by way of strict quality control of drivers or by way of quantity control of vehicles?

One puts the balance of power firmly in the drivers court while the other eventually puts the balance of power firmly in the hands of those persons with the deepest pockets.

London is a prime example where the balance of power resides with the owner driver.

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