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Nigel.
with all due respect whiltst we know you hate Jubilee what you say is nonesense, there is no point testing a vehicle b4 conversion!

Nigel either LTI are talking bollox, or you have misunderstood them.
and the volume of test is irrelivant, its either MI OR NOT and it is as a taxi!

now LTI and thier sychofants are lamenting the return of metrocab, well we will see!

in the end Nigel whatever test a vehicle has be it high volume, medium volume low volume or single vehicle if its M1 its the tops.

Nidge ever since Cab Direct started manufacturing the E7 they have completed the same test as LTI. It has cost them, I believe, a significant ammount of money, money other "converters" are not willing to spend.

M1 spec is a manufacturing spec for type approval, when a vehicle is converted and its vehicle type is changed the approval no longer applies.
On the logbook of a TX and the E7 the vehicle type is TAXI, on converted vehicles the word taxi is not included therefore it cannot have type approval.

People just want things to be what they want them to be, and they believe the lies people tell them if it suits their argument.

B. lucky

with all due respect Mick, you are claiming to be an expert in all fields about all things.

the knowledge you have would fill the back of a postage stamp, dont listen to salesmen you say then listen to LTI and Cab direct and call everyone else liars.

fact is if a council insists on an M1 certificate for type approval for wheelchair accessible dozens of vehicles will fit the bill.

do it have it anyway you like I am not bothered, you would have a more prosperous life if you dropped the union stuff and concentrated on running your taxi, as a bonus you wouldnt be upset with the bankrupcys and other things that bothered you, and leave policymaking to people better siuted than yourself

just recently you have behaved in a totaly unbelievable way, the trade would be better without you.

Oh dear Geoff, my post was quite clear that the information I passed on was not from either LTI or Cab Direct but from the Log Book of both vehicles.

European Full Body Specification is a manufacturing specification thats why, because both LTI and Cab Direct (Allied Vehicles) manufature their own vehicles they have their vehicles classed as taxis within the documentation of their vehicles.

Other vehicles are safe for use as they are manufatured to carry passengers and even following conversions they should be considered safe to carry passengers. However others are not.
I have no objection whatsoever to the conversions, by professional converters on Merc Traveliners, Fiat Scudo, Citreon Dispatch, Peugeot Expert or indeed any passenger carrying vehicle with a door on each side, a floor manufactured to safely accomodate passengers rather than goods and windows at the time of manufacture.

Any passenger should be able to board or alight the vehicle from the pavement and have an alternative escape route should one be required without having to remove any fixtures or fittings.
Any suggestion that a vehicle is fit for use as a public service vehicle without this basic requirement I believe is threatening public safety.

The argument that disabled people themselves use them cannot be used as an argument nor can the vehicles purchased by councils for specific use for thier use as a public service vehicle.
I wonder why there is only one converter of the Sharan, could it be that the other converters see the flaws in such conversions and therefore the risks.
I also wonder why the Managing Director of Fiat UK is so against the converted Doblo being used as a taxi, I wonder if its because he could well end up in court should a fare paying passenger be trapped in the vehicle within an area not intended to carry passengers and therefore with no escape route if he or his company were to endorce the conversion.

Your claim that my knowledge of this trade could be written on the back of a postage stamp shows your contempt and ignorance, I have been in the trade for over 15 years and have been involved in every aspect of it.

Now Geoff, you let me know when your up here mate, I'm willing to have a very civilised cup of tea with you to discuss our disagreemnets like gentlemen.

B. Lucky

so lets get this right, Cab Direct are now the manufacturers of Pergeots?
cab direct Mick do not manufacture vehicles, for gods sake man pick up that log book again and tell us where it says that?

Mick in 15 years its possible to have 15 years experience or 1 years experience 15 times, and yes I think you fit in the later category.

your ignorance on this subject is not due entirely to lack of information or fact but for the facts not fitting your silly petty and stupid standpoint.

now then I shall indeed be up in Newcastle within the fortnight, and a couple of taxi firms are on my intinary, and I shall be very busy, our differences are insumountable as I am unable now to accept that allied vehicles build a single vehicle.

talk like that is nonesensical.

Geoff, Geoff. Geoff. Ask any Council who licence these conversions for a disclamer that Jubilee and Cab Direct have had to give theCouncils. Converted vehicles go through a LOW VOLUME CRASH TEST, NOT A FULL CRASH TEST. Below is a qhuote from the VCA Vehicle Certification Agency.


The alterations carried out to adapt the Fiat Scudo Combinato into a Hackney Carriage (is theFiat Eurocab Taxi) have been tested and approved so that they meet the the requirements of the "GB LOW VOLUME" small series type approvel schemes.

So Geoff this is not a full M1 crash test just a cheap option, send this on to Mr Holland if you wish because I know you like to give him a good head. Infact I'll send it on to him and in the process I'll ask him why he's selling inferior vehicles.

Taken from Cab Directs Website

Wheelchair Accessible Vehicles
Q. Do you supply wheelchair accessible vehicles?
A. Yes, we can supply a wide range of vehicles with full wheelchair access.
For Hackney drivers, the new Peugeot E7 has been built and tested to M1 specification and has European Whole Vehicle Type Approval.

For private users, the new Fiat Freedom and Peugeot Eurobus have achieved motability accreditation, providing people with affordable vehicles designed to suit their requirements.
We are also able to provide a range of wheelchair-accessible minibuses – full details on all of these vehicles are available upon request.

Notice where it states "For private users, the new Fiat Freedom" I wonder why they state that then Geoff.

You really do scare me sometimes.

B. Lucky

Silly ........... Petty ...............Stupid

Safety ........ Safety .............Safety

I'm not against all converted vehicles just those that will trap and possibly kill a wheelchair passenger should the vehicle be hit from behind.

I'm concerned that you consider these points to be silly .........petty ........stupid because anyone with any professional ethic would want to provide SAFE transport.

look Mick,
for gods sake you can get an M1 vehicle strap a wheelchair in the wheelchair is not m1!

dont pretend in any vehicle that you can transport someone safely,in a wheelchair you cant its best practicable means.

if a vehicle gets a smack on the back be it a tx1 tx2 or any other vehicle a wheelchair passenger is more likely to recieve injury than any other.

but impact at the front or back is much safer than an impact from the side.

your arguments dont hold water pal, they dont.

and cab direct dont build pergeots.

I'm not sure anything can prevent a WAV customer being killed in a bad RTA, the same with a driver etc etc.

All these conversions have to go through more hoops than a Celtic top to get their vehicles on the road.

If they are not safe, then councils wont license them. Yet they do throughout the land, with maybe London and Glasgow following suit soon.

At the end of the day LTI couldn't cope with demand if all cabs went WAV. So others must be let in, or the government's policy will not happen.

European Whole Vehicle Type Approval

As the LTI and Metrocab.

Gateshead doesn't License either the DOBLO or the SHARAN.

So now, after being proved wrong you change your argument yet again.

Now your arguing that because the wheelchair itself isn't tested none of the vehicles that carry it should be properly tested.

Again I point to the individual driver/operators standards, I don't care whats tested and whats not, I just want to ensure that everything I provide is of the highest quality and properly tested.

Obviously you don't.

Mick,
dont come that with me I change no arguments, I am not a back street agitator like you living off members cos you are idle to drive a cab.

your tactics stink as do your manipulation Gatehead is in the mess its in because drivers pick a pillock like you.

I know my job and I know my rules now will you please [edited by admin] off.

ps you were a failure at running a taxiforum too.

just scrap cars dismantled and put together that were once lti and metrocab?

its about time you advocated choice!

"Living off members" Geoff mate I don't make a single penny piece from "my" members mate. Your allegations are again false to say the least.

You change arguments all the time, your well known for doing so.