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Do you think the penny has dropped yet?


when our hours are limited it might :wink:

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Do you think the penny has dropped yet?


when our hours are limited it might :wink:



We have tried to warn them.
When a government "has no plans to..." or "has no intentions...", it's not a cast iron assurance that they won't have later.

Politicians are notorious for using tradgedies to further their own ends.
Don't be surprised if this is what is going on now with the death of this unfortunate lad.

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So long as they don't bring in a minimum shift I'll be ok :lol:

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So long as they don't bring in a minimum shift I'll be ok :lol:


I was going to say....48 hours? is that a whole 48? :lol:

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Boy thrown 36m in taxi collision

A TEENAGER on his way home from celebrating his 18th birthday was thrown more than 30 metres along a road after colliding with a taxi whose driver was into the 14th hour of his shift, a court heard.

Gary Glymond landed 36.2 metres from the point where he was struck by Lee Sewell's private hire vehicle - after smashing the windscreen and flipping over the roof.

The former Dalton High School pupil had been out celebrating Barnsley FC's victory over Chelsea the previous afternoon and was just yards from his home in Huddersfield Road when tragedy struck.

He suffered multiple injuries to his head, face and leg and was pronounced dead at Barnsley District General Hospital.

Sewell, aged 27, of Overdale Avenue, Wors-brough, denies driving without due care and attention in the incident in the early hours of March 9 last year.

Accident investigator PC Brian Tew, from South Yorkshire Police's collision investigation unit, used various factors including the location of debris found in the carriageway and the extensive damage to the Vauxhall Vectra, to calculate that Sewell was travelling between 39 and 42 mph at the time of the collision.

The speed limit in the area is 30 mph.

Pc Tew also calculated the location of the impact between Gary and the car was either on or near to the crossing point at a traffic light junction near Rowland Road.

In a police interview Sewell said he had not seen Gary, a student at Barnsley College, until the moment of impact.

He told officers he believed the teenager had stepped out from between two parked cars, further down the road towards the town centre from the crossing.

In interviews read during his trial at Barnsley Magistrates' Court he said: "I don't know 100 per cent how it happened but it is my opinion that he has just stepped out from two parked vehicles but I just don't know.

"The first time I was aware of him being there was when he hit my bumper and went in my windscreen."

And when asked by officers if he could have swerved to avoid him he said: "No not at all - I would have, I really would have."
The trial continues next Wednesday.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:43 am 
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Fight to change "taxi" driver working hours

RELATIVES of a South Yorkshire teenager run over by a taxi driver who admitted he had been working 14 hours are pushing forward with their campaign for a change in the law.

Truckers and bus drivers are subject to a maximum number of hours and must take breaks but there is no restriction for taxi drivers.

The family of 18-year-old Gary Glymond have met with Barnsley Central MP Eric Illsley to discuss how the loophole could be closed and he now plans to raise the matter with the Government.

Gary's stepdad Stuart Jackson, of Wilthorpe, Barnsley, said: "Mr Illsley was very keen and didn't see why something should not be done about this problem. He said it was a matter of common sense and assured us he would get in touch with the Department for Transport. He seemed very confident changes were possible.

"I said to him that in these days of health and safety these guys should not be allowed to go out and do what they want, putting people at risk, and he agreed."

Mr Illsley said: "I will be talking to the Transport Secretary to see if the issue has been raised before and, if so, the reasons why restrictions have not been implemented.

"I would then like to find out the Government's attitude towards whether anything can be done to change things."

Gary was killed while walking back to his mum and stepdad's home. The family's campaign for a change in the law to restrict taxi drivers' hours also includes Gary's mum Susan Jackson creating a petition on the 10 Downing Street website.

If it attracts more than 200 signatures, they will receive a response on behalf of the Prime Minister.

And Gary's stepmum Teresa Glymond has set up a campaign group 'Justice for Gary Glymond' on social networking website Facebook. It has 511 members.

Teresa said Gary, a Barnsley College student, had just enjoyed the "best day of his life" after watching Barnsley beat Chelsea at Oakwell in the FA Cup then enjoying drinks with his friends to celebrate his 18th birthday.

Gary was hit by private hire driver Lee Sewell's Vauxhall Vectra at about 3.30am on Sunday March 9 last year as he crossed Huddersfield Road.

An inquest held in Sheffield heard, Mr Sewell, 26, of Worsbrough, Barnsley, was found by police to have been travelling at more than 40mph. Self-employed Mr Sewell, who worked for the A1 Ace Radio taxi agency, declined to answer questions about his speed.

But when Gary's dad Martin Glymond asked how long he had been working, Sewell replied: "Fourteen hours, I started at quarter past one."

He added that he had "not seen" the Barnsley College motor vehicle student cross the road into his path.

Police said they were unable to take action against Mr Sewell over the hours he had been working because there are no restrictions for taxi drivers.

Lorry drivers cannot work more than four-and-a-half hours without a break. And bus drivers are restricted to four-and-a-half hours in one continuous period and a maximum nine-hour working day.

- Mr Sewell has been charged with careless driving. He has pleaded not guilty and is due to go on trial at Barnsley Magistrates' Court in spring.


I'm affraid he's got it wrong about bus drivers, local bus drivers aren't governed by tachograph regulations, I think it's something to do with not travelling more than 20 miles from your depot.


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Family's anger as speeding cab driver who killed son in car crash is handed £500 fine

A teenager's family is furious after the taxi driver who killed their son in a crash walked free from court with just a £500 fine.

Cab driver Lee Sewell was speeding at 42mph in a 30mph zone when his Vauxhall Vectra struck 18-year-old Gary Glymond on a pedestrian crossing.

The collision sent the teenager's body almost 120ft across the road.
Fatal crash: Cab driver Lee Sewell was speeding in a Vauxhall Vectra, like this one, when he struck

Outside Barnsley Magistrates Court, Gary's outraged family called the sentence a 'joke.'

His step-mum Teresa Glymond, 36, said: 'The driver should have gone to prison for this.

'He didn't mean to do it but he has not shown one iota of remorse to the family at all. He pleaded not guilty and just prolonged the agony for us.

'If he had stuck to the speed limit he would have seen Gary and he'd still be alive today.'

Sewell, 27, had been driving for 14 hours on his shift, the court was told. He has a previous drink-drive conviction and three points on his licence for using a mobile telephone at the wheel.

Sewell was found guilty of driving without due care and attention after a three-day trial, and faced a maximum sentence of a £2,500 fine.

Another family member said: 'That driver was an accident waiting to happen. What does it say about a taxi firm employing a former drink-driver?'

Gary's dad Martin Glymond, 39, said: 'There are no laws governing the length of time taxi drivers can work. How can anybody concentrate after 14 hours at the wheel. It's wrong.'

The court heard Mr Glymond had spent the evening drinking to celebrate Barnsley's FA cup victory over Chelsea and his 18th birthday on Sunday 9 March last year.

He was just yards from his home when he was struck by the private hire car and died later in hospital.

Prosecutor John Kavanagh said Sewell was on his way into Barnsley town centre when the accident took place on Huddersfield Road just after 3 am.
Mr Kavanagh said: 'The taxi driver accepts he had been working for something like 14 hours at the time of this collision.

'There are no regulations governing the length of time a taxi driver can carry out his duties. This particular Saturday was a busy time.'

The collision happened on or near a pedestrian crossing. Mr Glymond's body hit the car's windscreen and was thrown over the roof of the car almost to the other side of the road.

Sewell was apparently extremely distressed and said to the victim: 'Get up, get up, are you all right.'

He admitted to police that he had been travelling at between 40mph and 45mph on the road which has a 30mph limit at that point.

Mr Kavanagh said the taxi driver was approaching a set of traffic lights which could have changed and although it was 3am nobody had 'carte blanche' to speed.

He said: 'It would seem that Sewell does not recall even seeing the pedestrian until the point of impact. It seems somewhat odd that that was the case.'

Mr Glymond had a large build and the road was well lit.

'It is difficult to understand how Sewell hasn't seen him on the approach,' said Mr Kavanagh.

Friends described how they had seen Gary Glymond drinking into the early hours in bars and clubs in Barnsley after his team's victory. Others saw him staggering about.

Mr Glymond told a friend: 'I can't believe Barnsley have won on my birthday.' Sewell, of Worsbrough, Barnsley told police: 'I didn't see him until he hit my vehicle.'

He added: 'I was concentrating on the road 110 per cent.'

In the witness box he claimed Mr Glymond stepped out from behind two parked cars at the last minute.

He said it was usual for him to work up to 14 hours on a Saturday and he was not tired.

'I have been doing nights for a long time. It's what I'm used to,' he said.
The driver said when he finished a shift he would often go home and watch television before going to bed after 5am.

Asked why he did not see the teenager he replied: 'He's come form the darkness, the shadows. It's a lot darker than the other side of the road.'

When he saw the 18-year-old lying on the ground he said: 'I thought I had killed him.'

He denied a prosecution claim that he was speeding to make up for a fare he had lost earlier that night.

'My mind was focused on the road,' he said.

When Mr Kavanagh put to him he should have driven more carefully he replied: 'No, not really.'

Finding the case proved, bench chairman Carol Higgins said the magistrates found Sewell's driving 'departed from the standard required.'

She said: 'There can be no winners in this situation. A young man lost his life and we have every sympathy for the family of Gary.'

Sewell was banned for 14 months on July 18, 2000 by Skegness magistrates for drink-driving when he was just 18.

Yesterday he was disqualified for 12 months, fined £500 with £500 prosecution costs and a £15 victim surcharge.

He refused to comment as he left court.

Gary's family have set up a petition on the 10 Downing Street website and a Facebook group calling for a ban on cab drivers working long hours.
They are being backed by Barnsley Central MP Eric Illsley who has raised the matter with the Government.

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Sewell was found guilty of driving without due care and attention after a three-day trial, and faced a maximum sentence of a £2,500 fine.

Thankfully things have now changed, and a person can now be charged with causing death by careless driving.

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In earlier debates on this subject there was some conjecture that the driver was tired, that was never proven in court. Speeding was obviously a factor and so was the drunken state of the tragic victim. Many lives have been affected in this tragedy and as the article says, everyone loses but some more than others.

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Family's anger as speeding cab driver who killed son in car crash is handed £500 fine

A teenager's family is furious after the taxi driver who killed their son in a crash walked free from court with just a £500 fine.

Cab driver Lee Sewell was speeding at 42mph in a 30mph zone when his Vauxhall Vectra struck 18-year-old Gary Glymond on a pedestrian crossing.

The collision sent the teenager's body almost 120ft across the road.
Fatal crash: Cab driver Lee Sewell was speeding in a Vauxhall Vectra, like this one, when he struck

Outside Barnsley Magistrates Court, Gary's outraged family called the sentence a 'joke.'

His step-mum Teresa Glymond, 36, said: 'The driver should have gone to prison for this.

'He didn't mean to do it but he has not shown one iota of remorse to the family at all. He pleaded not guilty and just prolonged the agony for us.

'If he had stuck to the speed limit he would have seen Gary and he'd still be alive today.'

Sewell, 27, had been driving for 14 hours on his shift, the court was told. He has a previous drink-drive conviction and three points on his licence for using a mobile telephone at the wheel.

Sewell was found guilty of driving without due care and attention after a three-day trial, and faced a maximum sentence of a £2,500 fine.

Another family member said: 'That driver was an accident waiting to happen. What does it say about a taxi firm employing a former drink-driver?'

Gary's dad Martin Glymond, 39, said: 'There are no laws governing the length of time taxi drivers can work. How can anybody concentrate after 14 hours at the wheel. It's wrong.'

The court heard Mr Glymond had spent the evening drinking to celebrate Barnsley's FA cup victory over Chelsea and his 18th birthday on Sunday 9 March last year.

He was just yards from his home when he was struck by the private hire car and died later in hospital.

Prosecutor John Kavanagh said Sewell was on his way into Barnsley town centre when the accident took place on Huddersfield Road just after 3 am.
Mr Kavanagh said: 'The taxi driver accepts he had been working for something like 14 hours at the time of this collision.

'There are no regulations governing the length of time a taxi driver can carry out his duties. This particular Saturday was a busy time.'

The collision happened on or near a pedestrian crossing. Mr Glymond's body hit the car's windscreen and was thrown over the roof of the car almost to the other side of the road.

Sewell was apparently extremely distressed and said to the victim: 'Get up, get up, are you all right.'

He admitted to police that he had been travelling at between 40mph and 45mph on the road which has a 30mph limit at that point.

Mr Kavanagh said the taxi driver was approaching a set of traffic lights which could have changed and although it was 3am nobody had 'carte blanche' to speed.

He said: 'It would seem that Sewell does not recall even seeing the pedestrian until the point of impact. It seems somewhat odd that that was the case.'

Mr Glymond had a large build and the road was well lit.

'It is difficult to understand how Sewell hasn't seen him on the approach,' said Mr Kavanagh.

Friends described how they had seen Gary Glymond drinking into the early hours in bars and clubs in Barnsley after his team's victory. Others saw him staggering about.

Mr Glymond told a friend: 'I can't believe Barnsley have won on my birthday.' Sewell, of Worsbrough, Barnsley told police: 'I didn't see him until he hit my vehicle.'

He added: 'I was concentrating on the road 110 per cent.'

In the witness box he claimed Mr Glymond stepped out from behind two parked cars at the last minute.

He said it was usual for him to work up to 14 hours on a Saturday and he was not tired.

'I have been doing nights for a long time. It's what I'm used to,' he said.
The driver said when he finished a shift he would often go home and watch television before going to bed after 5am.

Asked why he did not see the teenager he replied: 'He's come form the darkness, the shadows. It's a lot darker than the other side of the road.'

When he saw the 18-year-old lying on the ground he said: 'I thought I had killed him.'

He denied a prosecution claim that he was speeding to make up for a fare he had lost earlier that night.

'My mind was focused on the road,' he said.

When Mr Kavanagh put to him he should have driven more carefully he replied: 'No, not really.'

Finding the case proved, bench chairman Carol Higgins said the magistrates found Sewell's driving 'departed from the standard required.'

She said: 'There can be no winners in this situation. A young man lost his life and we have every sympathy for the family of Gary.'

Sewell was banned for 14 months on July 18, 2000 by Skegness magistrates for drink-driving when he was just 18.

Yesterday he was disqualified for 12 months, fined £500 with £500 prosecution costs and a £15 victim surcharge.

He refused to comment as he left court.

Gary's family have set up a petition on the 10 Downing Street website and a Facebook group calling for a ban on cab drivers working long hours.
They are being backed by Barnsley Central MP Eric Illsley who has raised the matter with the Government.



The Cause of death was more due to speed than the drivers hours..if the guy walked out from between 2 parked cars as they say then no amount of driver awareness would have made much differance..the only thing that may have helped was a lower speed which would have reduced the severity of the impact. Im fed up of folk picking on the drivers hours as the devil reincarnate, ....another Kneejerk over reaction and the typical picking on taxi and ph drivers as easy targets.

On an Individual basis its a sad and possibly avoidable case but it pales into insignificance compared to the amount of people killed by police drivers and is miniscule in comparison to the tens of thousands that die each year from hospital caught superbugs. yet they do little to solve the 10 of thousands death per year and focus all their efforts to stop a very few Incidents involving taxis and PH...even though the hours worked are not proven to be the cause.


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all commercial drivers (i.e. all drivers except private drivers) should be covered by EU driver hours and the WTD, its common sense

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all commercial drivers (i.e. all drivers except private drivers) should be covered by EU driver hours and the WTD, its common sense



Wouldnt help one bit....all they ask under the directive is an average of 48 hours per week maximum, it would not stop you working 18 hours one day and only a few hours the rest of the week days, it will not stop long hours at busy times but will only serve to make the driver more selective of what hours they actually work.


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wannabeeahack wrote:
all commercial drivers (i.e. all drivers except private drivers) should be covered by EU driver hours and the WTD, its common sense



Wouldnt help one bit....all they ask under the directive is an average of 48 hours per week maximum, it would not stop you working 18 hours one day and only a few hours the rest of the week days, it will not stop long hours at busy times but will only serve to make the driver more selective of what hours they actually work.


So would a traffic cop who works a standard 12 hour shift also come under excessive hours?

The point they are also missing is that he would not have been driving for a total of 14 hours! No doubt there would have been many times during his shift whereby he would not have been working at all.

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So would a traffic cop who works a standard 12 hour shift also come under excessive hours?

The point they are also missing is that he would not have been driving for a total of 14 hours! No doubt there would have been many times during his shift whereby he would not have been working at all.


I know what you mean....but their son died and they're looking for reasons why.....maybe it would have been the same if it was an ice cream van?

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So would a traffic cop who works a standard 12 hour shift also come under excessive hours?

The point they are also missing is that he would not have been driving for a total of 14 hours! No doubt there would have been many times during his shift whereby he would not have been working at all.


I know what you mean....but their son died and they're looking for reasons why.....maybe it would have been the same if it was an ice cream van?
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Yes there are loads of them around at 3.00 AM. :roll:

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