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Yes there are loads of them around at 3.00 AM. :roll:


Are you telling me you cant get Madame Whippy at 3 AM? :lol:

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http://taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=11157 with Reference to another hot topic about pedestrians. If a lorry driver was in his 14th hour of a 15 hour shift, would he be overtired? No because the EU says it is ok. He hopefully has had his mandatory rest periods, so is therefore only allowed to drive no more than 4.5 hours per stint. The private hire driver, I am sure would not have been driving for 14 hours straight. I can't imagine anywhere that is that busy. Would anyone reading this deliberately step out into a main road when there is a vehicle coming along at 30mph. I don’t think the driver’s hours are the issue here. Speed? maybe! Why did the Pedestian cross the road [no chicken cracks] at that moment & at that time and what state of mind was he in? A bad result for all involved. My sympathies to the families of both involved parties.


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Why did the Pedestian cross the road [no chicken cracks] at that moment & at that time and what state of mind was he in?


His state of mind might well have been clouded by his drunkeness and according to witnesses he may well have been incapable. Brighton = 60% of road accidents caused by pedestrians. Makes one wonder?

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JD wrote:
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Why did the Pedestian cross the road [no chicken cracks] at that moment & at that time and what state of mind was he in?


His state of mind might well have been clouded by his drunkeness and according to witnesses he may well have been incapable. Brighton = 60% of road accidents caused by pedestrians. Makes one wonder?

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Id agree...more likely alchohol at 3.00 am than drivers hours is the culprit , yet his family need a scapegoat and as always the trade makes for a very good scapegoat simply because we can take a damn good verbal kicking time and time again almost without flinching..


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yes I have to agee :cry:


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all commercial drivers (i.e. all drivers except private drivers) should be covered by EU driver hours and the WTD, its common sense



Wouldnt help one bit....all they ask under the directive is an average of 48 hours per week maximum, it would not stop you working 18 hours one day and only a few hours the rest of the week days, it will not stop long hours at busy times but will only serve to make the driver more selective of what hours they actually work.


add in DRIVER hours and it WOULD make a difference....

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To quote spreadovers is a red herring, in a 14 hour day id hope a hack would have spent at least 9 hours driving (or other work), dont forget a "rest" period" is broken if the vehicle moves, so moving forward on a rank wouldnt count as breaks........


Daily, weekly and fortnightly driving limits under EU drivers' hours rules

Under the European Union (EU) rules on drivers' hours, there are daily, weekly and fortnightly driving time limits that you must follow.
Daily driving limit

The maximum daily driving time is nine hours, which can be split into 4.5 hour driving periods. For example, if you drive for 4.5 hours, then take a 45 minute break and then drive again for 4.5 hours, you will have reached your daily driving time limit.

You can increase this limit to ten hours twice a week. For example, you could:

1. drive for 4.5 hours
2. take a 45 minute break
3. continue driving for 4.5 hours
4. take another 45 minute break
5. then drive for just one more hour

You can work out your daily driving time as either of the following:

* the total accumulated driving time between the end of one daily rest period and the beginning of the next
* the total accumulated driving time between a daily rest period and a weekly rest period

Driving time includes any off-road parts of a journey where the rest of that journey is made on the public highway. Journeys that are entirely off-road would be considered as 'other work'.

So, for example, any time that you spend driving off-road between a parking or rest area and a loading bay before going on a public road would count as driving time. However, if you pick up and deposit an entire load on the same off-road site, this would count as 'other work'.
Weekly driving limit

The maximum weekly driving limit is 56 hours, which applies to a fixed week. This would include four nine-hour driving days, and two ten-hour driving days.

Total weekly hours = (4 × 9) + (2 × 10) = 56

The fixed week always starts at 00.00 on Monday and ends at 24.00 on the following Sunday.
Fortnightly driving limit

The maximum driving time over any two weeks is 90 hours.

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My philosophy is quite simple as regards the EU working hours directive...it is Screw the EU..


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bloodnock wrote:
My philosophy is quite simple as regards the EU working hours directive...it is Screw the EU..


That sounds like a plan :lol:

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My philosophy is quite simple as regards the EU working hours directive...it is Screw the EU..


so what about UK driver hours then?.....

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wannabeeahack wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
My philosophy is quite simple as regards the EU working hours directive...it is Screw the EU..


so what about UK driver hours then?.....


Nowt wrong wi them....its the EU thats Faffing us about...No EU no Grief..


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bloodnock wrote:
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My philosophy is quite simple as regards the EU working hours directive...it is Screw the EU..


so what about UK driver hours then?.....


Nowt wrong wi them....its the EU thats Faffing us about...No EU no Grief..


Do you honestly believe that if Britain came out of the EU drivers hours would not be limited?

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Theres little difference bewteen Uk and EU driver hour regs, simply because HMG will have simply adopted the EU regs instead of fighting the EU

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grandad wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
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bloodnock wrote:
My philosophy is quite simple as regards the EU working hours directive...it is Screw the EU..


so what about UK driver hours then?.....


Nowt wrong wi them....its the EU thats Faffing us about...No EU no Grief..


Do you honestly believe that if Britain came out of the EU drivers hours would not be limited?


Im not sure what the UK would do...but I know who I'd rather take my chances with...


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Im not sure what the UK would do...but I know who I'd rather take my chances with...


you would still have UK driver hours......

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