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So a push or a baton strike is a beating? Do you know anything about Public Order training or Home Office OST best practise?

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Ultimatley caused his death


Did it? Are you a Pathologist and a Coroner as well now?

Judge, Jury and executioner.

Does Black Bob agree with you? Woof. :D


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So a push or a baton strike is a beating? Do you know anything about Public Order training or Home Office OST best practise?

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Ultimatley caused his death


Did it? Are you a Pathologist and a Coroner as well now?

Judge, Jury and executioner.

Does Black Bob agree with you? Woof. :D



Im allowed an opinion.....and it'll stay that way unless grunts like you destroy our democracy.



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Anyway, back to the topic of this thread. More of the truth is emerging:


G20 victim seen on film clashing with police an hour before fatal fall

Justin Davenport and Jack Lefley

09.04.09

THE man who died in the G20 protest had a confrontation with riot police more than one hour before he was beaten and pushed to the ground by another officer, it was revealed today.
Ian Tomlinson, 47, had to be physically moved aside by four officers after he stood blocking the path of a riot van at 6.07pm last Wednesday.
At 7.15pm he was reportedly seen being thrown to the ground and hit twice by police with a baton.
At 7.29pm video captured Tomlinson being hit again and pushed to the ground by riot police. Mr Tomlinson suffered a heart attack at 7.32pm and later died.

The new details of Mr Tomlinson's contact with police emerged as the police officer who pushed the newspaper seller to the ground came forward to be interviewed.
A spokesman from the Independent Police Complaints Commission said the officer, believed to be a member of the Met's Territorial Support Group, will be interviewed "as soon as possible".

The IPCC launched a criminal investigation into the case yesterday and the officer could face charges of assault.
Scotland Yard said a decision on whether to suspend the officer would be taken today.
The Met said an officer had identified himself to his team leader yesterday as "being potentially involved in the incident shown on the video footage". Three other Met officers have also come forward to say they were present.

The new detail of an earlier confrontation between Mr Tomlinson and police came to light after a bystander took pictures of him blocking the path of a riot van. They show him unsteady on his feet after he had apparently been drinking.

Mr Tomlinson was staying at a hostel in Smithfield and had recently come out of rehab for a drinking habit. He was estranged from his wife Julia because of his drink problem.

The photographs show him in a Millwall shirt smoking a cigarette in Lombard Street at 6.07pm, one hour and 25 minutes before he collapsed.
He was blocking the path of a riot van and the driver can be seen shouting at him to move out of the way.

IT worker Ross Hardy, who took the pictures, told the Sun: "I'd been watching some of the protests and saw this older guy standing in the road. A police riot van was trying to make its way up the street toward the Bank of England.

"Tomlinson stood out because of his football shirt and he seemed in his own little world. It was weird. The van approached and a cop leaned out to shout at him to get out of the way.
"But he didn't go anywhere. He just mumbled something and raised an arm a bit unsteadily. It was then it became obvious that he had been drunk because he wasn't really coherent and couldn't move well."
The officer yelled again and when he didn't move the van nudged him but he still did not get out of the way.
Mr Hardy, 24, said: "When that didn't work four riot police moved in and dragged him to the pavement. The van moved past but Tomlinson stuck around for at least another half an hour.
He certainly wasn't on his way home."


On his way home or not and sober or not the guy was an innocent victim....the police didnt need to give him a beating that ultimately caused his death..

Quite obviously the Police are trying to wriggle out of getting the blame..and they probably will with their wiley ways..


Standing in the way of the police vehicle and refusing to move would be obstucting a police office in the execution of his duty.

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So a push or a baton strike is a beating? Do you know anything about Public Order training or Home Office OST best practise?

For an 'assault by beating' conviction you don't even need to have touched the aggrieved.

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Standing in the way of the police vehicle and refusing to move would be obstucting a police office in the execution of his duty.

Then he should have been arrested not assaulted.

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Standing in the way of the police vehicle and refusing to move would be obstucting a police office in the execution of his duty.

Then he should have been arrested not assaulted.


I am just pointing out that the chap was not as innocent as was first reported.

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Standing in the way of the police vehicle and refusing to move would be obstucting a police office in the execution of his duty.

Then he should have been arrested not assaulted.


I am just pointing out that the chap was not as innocent as was first reported.


Nothing is ever clear cut until the truth comes out, the press like to big things up until the real truth comes out....he was a drunken who was obstructing the police, the police had better things to contend with than this drunken fool, people were smashing windows and causing chaos for the innocent people who were going about their own business. He got in the way of the Tactical Support Unit and paid for it with his life.


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bloodnock wrote:
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Anyway, back to the topic of this thread. More of the truth is emerging:


G20 victim seen on film clashing with police an hour before fatal fall

Justin Davenport and Jack Lefley

09.04.09

THE man who died in the G20 protest had a confrontation with riot police more than one hour before he was beaten and pushed to the ground by another officer, it was revealed today.
Ian Tomlinson, 47, had to be physically moved aside by four officers after he stood blocking the path of a riot van at 6.07pm last Wednesday.
At 7.15pm he was reportedly seen being thrown to the ground and hit twice by police with a baton.
At 7.29pm video captured Tomlinson being hit again and pushed to the ground by riot police. Mr Tomlinson suffered a heart attack at 7.32pm and later died.

The new details of Mr Tomlinson's contact with police emerged as the police officer who pushed the newspaper seller to the ground came forward to be interviewed.
A spokesman from the Independent Police Complaints Commission said the officer, believed to be a member of the Met's Territorial Support Group, will be interviewed "as soon as possible".

The IPCC launched a criminal investigation into the case yesterday and the officer could face charges of assault.
Scotland Yard said a decision on whether to suspend the officer would be taken today.
The Met said an officer had identified himself to his team leader yesterday as "being potentially involved in the incident shown on the video footage". Three other Met officers have also come forward to say they were present.

The new detail of an earlier confrontation between Mr Tomlinson and police came to light after a bystander took pictures of him blocking the path of a riot van. They show him unsteady on his feet after he had apparently been drinking.

Mr Tomlinson was staying at a hostel in Smithfield and had recently come out of rehab for a drinking habit. He was estranged from his wife Julia because of his drink problem.

The photographs show him in a Millwall shirt smoking a cigarette in Lombard Street at 6.07pm, one hour and 25 minutes before he collapsed.
He was blocking the path of a riot van and the driver can be seen shouting at him to move out of the way.

IT worker Ross Hardy, who took the pictures, told the Sun: "I'd been watching some of the protests and saw this older guy standing in the road. A police riot van was trying to make its way up the street toward the Bank of England.

"Tomlinson stood out because of his football shirt and he seemed in his own little world. It was weird. The van approached and a cop leaned out to shout at him to get out of the way.
"But he didn't go anywhere. He just mumbled something and raised an arm a bit unsteadily. It was then it became obvious that he had been drunk because he wasn't really coherent and couldn't move well."
The officer yelled again and when he didn't move the van nudged him but he still did not get out of the way.
Mr Hardy, 24, said: "When that didn't work four riot police moved in and dragged him to the pavement. The van moved past but Tomlinson stuck around for at least another half an hour.
He certainly wasn't on his way home."


On his way home or not and sober or not the guy was an innocent victim....the police didnt need to give him a beating that ultimately caused his death..

Quite obviously the Police are trying to wriggle out of getting the blame..and they probably will with their wiley ways..


Standing in the way of the police vehicle and refusing to move would be obstucting a police office in the execution of his duty.


So a few police offices stalked the guy at walking speed for 1 hour and eight minutes after the Van Incident before deciding to thump him from behind with a baton rather than arrest him at the time for obstruction...Or Maybe it was a police chase on foot at walking/dawdling pace, where the speed of the pursuit was deemed to be so dangerous that the police had to hang back for the safety of the general public...a damned strange way to do business,.

Its an indefensible act regardless of anyones view of the Police.


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The Guardian reading leftie spouts forth once more.

You know what though, no one's listening. :lol:


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100% my last word <<<



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100% my last word <<<



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Swivel.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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So a few police offices stalked the guy at walking speed for 1 hour and eight minutes after the Van Incident before deciding to thump him from behind with a baton rather than arrest him at the time for obstruction...Or Maybe it was a police chase on foot at walking/dawdling pace, where the speed of the pursuit was deemed to be so dangerous that the police had to hang back for the safety of the general public...a damned strange way to do business,.



I take it that you were there watching this guy for the whole time to actually see what he was doing?

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I take it that you were there watching this guy for the whole time to actually see what he was doing?

Don't know but thankfully someone was filming the police.

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grandad wrote:
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So a few police offices stalked the guy at walking speed for 1 hour and eight minutes after the Van Incident before deciding to thump him from behind with a baton rather than arrest him at the time for obstruction...Or Maybe it was a police chase on foot at walking/dawdling pace, where the speed of the pursuit was deemed to be so dangerous that the police had to hang back for the safety of the general public...a damned strange way to do business,.



I take it that you were there watching this guy for the whole time to actually see what he was doing?


Doesnt matter what he was doing....they didnt arrest him..they just thumped him from behind and smashed him to the ground..its all on cam..no mystery.


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You don't have the manpower to arrest people in a riot. Control is the order of the day, by force if necessary, drunken t***s and all.

A baton strike and a push are well within the H.O guidelines.
'Fly with the crows, get shot with the crows', self responsibility or suffer.

Perhaps you should uproot to Balamory Boggy, it sounds like your vision of Utopia opposed to the reality of violent Britain in 2009, which the 90% of the rest of the UK trade witness on a nightly basis.

Britain has the most softly softly policing I've ever seen in comparison to the rest of the world. Some residents of the British Isles need a reality check.


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