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dont forget each artic is a 40ft trailer and another 15ft of unit, each drawbar unit is even longer, having 60ft of internal load space, plus cab, plus gap between prime mover and trailer, 3 artics passing one at 50mph is over a quarter mile of chaos!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojGksCRy_nM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vij8cqVa ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX2gRUa6 ... re=related
The first clip is what should happen here in the uk. The third clip shows a typical 5 minute overtake, clogging up the motorway, irritating all the drivers behind. I'm not sure that if these two are doing it on purpose though, but it shows the same result anyway. A very dangerous situation and annoyance :evil: :evil: :evil:


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wannabeeahack wrote:
dont forget each artic is a 40ft trailer and another 15ft of unit, each drawbar unit is even longer, having 60ft of internal load space, plus cab, plus gap between prime mover and trailer, 3 artics passing one at 50mph is over a quarter mile of chaos!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojGksCRy_nM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vij8cqVa ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX2gRUa6 ... re=related
The first clip is what should happen here in the uk. The third clip shows a typical 5 minute overtake, clogging up the motorway, irritating all the drivers behind. I'm not sure that if these two are doing it on purpose though, but it shows the same result anyway. A very dangerous situation and annoyance :evil: :evil: :evil:


That 3rd clip shows why our motorways are clogged and fecked up


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Smoked Glass wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
dont forget each artic is a 40ft trailer and another 15ft of unit, each drawbar unit is even longer, having 60ft of internal load space, plus cab, plus gap between prime mover and trailer, 3 artics passing one at 50mph is over a quarter mile of chaos!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojGksCRy_nM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vij8cqVa ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX2gRUa6 ... re=related
The first clip is what should happen here in the uk. The third clip shows a typical 5 minute overtake, clogging up the motorway, irritating all the drivers behind. I'm not sure that if these two are doing it on purpose though, but it shows the same result anyway. A very dangerous situation and annoyance :evil: :evil: :evil:


That 3rd clip shows why our motorways are clogged and fecked up


Hold on squire

Ive driven to dover then calais, through france on the TOLL roads and into spain on the TOLL roads and seen a total of 2 cop cars, 1 traffic jam and 1 accident

can you spot what could make the difference between thier motorways and ours?

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wannabeeahack wrote:
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wannabeeahack wrote:
dont forget each artic is a 40ft trailer and another 15ft of unit, each drawbar unit is even longer, having 60ft of internal load space, plus cab, plus gap between prime mover and trailer, 3 artics passing one at 50mph is over a quarter mile of chaos!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojGksCRy_nM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vij8cqVa ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX2gRUa6 ... re=related
The first clip is what should happen here in the uk. The third clip shows a typical 5 minute overtake, clogging up the motorway, irritating all the drivers behind. I'm not sure that if these two are doing it on purpose though, but it shows the same result anyway. A very dangerous situation and annoyance :evil: :evil: :evil:


That 3rd clip shows why our motorways are clogged and fecked up


Hold on squire

Ive driven to dover then calais, through france on the TOLL roads and into spain on the TOLL roads and seen a total of 2 cop cars, 1 traffic jam and 1 accident

can you spot what could make the difference between thier motorways and ours?


UMMMMMM, yep not as many numptys trying to race hgvs


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no, there are few CARS on the continental TOLL roads, motorways were never built for junction jumping saloons/mums/school runs and the like, take private motorists off the motorways with a decent toll price and watch the jams dissolve

make every motorway in the UK a toll road

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wannabeeahack wrote:
close, but no coconut

no, there are few CARS on the continental TOLL roads, motorways were never built for junction jumping saloons/mums/school runs and the like, take private motorists off the motorways with a decent toll price and watch the jams dissolve

make every motorway in the UK a toll road


That's why we pay road tax, but if they where to educate the truckers and the lane hogger by maybe showing there reg number and telling them to get over from a gantry that may help
better still ban all hgvs from the middle lane


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skippy41 wrote:
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close, but no coconut

no, there are few CARS on the continental TOLL roads, motorways were never built for junction jumping saloons/mums/school runs and the like, take private motorists off the motorways with a decent toll price and watch the jams dissolve

make every motorway in the UK a toll road


That's why we pay road tax, but if they where to educate the truckers and the lane hogger by maybe showing there reg number and telling them to get over from a gantry that may help
better still ban all hgvs from the middle lane
works well in germany at peak times.


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What annoys me with some of the lorry's is that they are all working, or should be, with a speed limiter so they should all be doing the same speed. But with the slight discrepensies with the setting some go slightly faster than others so they have to overtake. It doesn't matter to them that it takes 4 miles to get past and a big queue builds up.

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What annoys me with some of the lorry's is that they are all working, or should be, with a speed limiter so they should all be doing the same speed. But with the slight discrepensies with the setting some go slightly faster than others so they have to overtake. It doesn't matter to them that it takes 4 miles to get past and a big queue builds up.


Q if you were on a tacho, with restricted driving hours and delivery "windows" to achieve (or get turned away and bollocked by your boss or sacked) plus very often being out overnight, etc, would you worry about a few cars stuck behind you?...

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close, but no coconut

no, there are few CARS on the continental TOLL roads, motorways were never built for junction jumping saloons/mums/school runs and the like, take private motorists off the motorways with a decent toll price and watch the jams dissolve

make every motorway in the UK a toll road


That's why we pay road tax, but if they where to educate the truckers and the lane hogger by maybe showing there reg number and telling them to get over from a gantry that may help
better still ban all hgvs from the middle lane


always assuming all 3 lanes are open...

but all that would do is block off lane 1 for ever and ever, and sales reps wouldnt be able to exit the motorway and uncle jim/aunty doris would sit in lane 1 with the trucks.....or block lane 2 cos them big arsticulared wagons are in lane 1...

and where would caravans go?

its CARS that cause the problem not HGV or coaches...

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its CARS that cause the problem not HGV or coaches...


It's drivers that cause problems not vehicles :wink:

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wannabeeahack wrote:
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What annoys me with some of the lorry's is that they are all working, or should be, with a speed limiter so they should all be doing the same speed. But with the slight discrepensies with the setting some go slightly faster than others so they have to overtake. It doesn't matter to them that it takes 4 miles to get past and a big queue builds up.


Q if you were on a tacho, with restricted driving hours and delivery "windows" to achieve (or get turned away and bollocked by your boss or sacked) plus very often being out overnight, etc, would you worry about a few cars stuck behind you?...


The difference in the speeds would probably make about 10 minutes a day.

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grandad wrote:
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What annoys me with some of the lorry's is that they are all working, or should be, with a speed limiter so they should all be doing the same speed. But with the slight discrepensies with the setting some go slightly faster than others so they have to overtake. It doesn't matter to them that it takes 4 miles to get past and a big queue builds up.


Q if you were on a tacho, with restricted driving hours and delivery "windows" to achieve (or get turned away and bollocked by your boss or sacked) plus very often being out overnight, etc, would you worry about a few cars stuck behind you?...


The difference in the speeds would probably make about 10 minutes a day.
Yes, but if you were stuck behind a fully laden HGV in your HGV & the one in front died every time it went up a slight gradient, you would get miffed off. You 500hp truck straight out of the box cannot overtake an a fully laden 4 year old 320hp high taughtliner because of inside lane restrictions. We have 2 full lanes of HGV now, if we put them in one lane, all junctions would be blocked, off & on ramps =captain caos


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grandad wrote:
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What annoys me with some of the lorry's is that they are all working, or should be, with a speed limiter so they should all be doing the same speed. But with the slight discrepensies with the setting some go slightly faster than others so they have to overtake. It doesn't matter to them that it takes 4 miles to get past and a big queue builds up.


Q if you were on a tacho, with restricted driving hours and delivery "windows" to achieve (or get turned away and bollocked by your boss or sacked) plus very often being out overnight, etc, would you worry about a few cars stuck behind you?...


The difference in the speeds would probably make about 10 minutes a day.


Ive been turned away from a "goods in" when 10 minutes late, also a driver on tacho has only a 5 minute "leeway" to find a suitable place to stop for a mandatory 45 minute break, and once stopped he cannot move without retstrting his 45 minute break, so the 3 hour queue at CWS (co-op) at junc 25/M5 is a real pain.

and theyve stopped the "15 minute" clause to add up the 45 minute rest period, anyone wanna buy my stopwatch?...

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Motorways were never intended to be used solely by cars or the bridges would be 9ft not 19ft

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