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"I'm alright, Jack."


Got it, thanks. Why didn't he just say so :roll:

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Even the best practice guidance part 1 and part 2 state they must licence saloons as well


No it doesnt

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Yes it does under vehicles


It doesnt say 'must'.

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Ok it says should not restrict to one type of vehicle, its the same bloody thing in my book
It is the same thing, he being arkward.


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Wyre Forest Taxi Drivers Association is calling for new licence holders to be forced to buy wheelchair accessible vehicles, while it says existing licence holders should be allowed to continue running saloon cars.


I see Jack's alright. :wink:
& so it begins again! The thin end of the wedge. You start with all new licenses to be WAVS, then leave it to simmer for 5 years at 150degrees c. Then take-out of the oven STIR leave to cool down & then announce that all HC's must be WAV by 2016. Gives current saloon HC driver another 2 years to get a WAV. Then leave to cool down before consuming.
This has already happened in a lot of areas already. The result will be half a dozen WAV's for the whole borough. :cry: :cry: :cry:


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This has already happened in a lot of areas already. The result will be half a dozen WAV's for the whole borough. :cry: :cry:


What makes you think that 100% WAV policy will result in so few WAV's for the borough it will just result in a lot of unhappy HC saloon vehicle drivers that have to buy a WAV, which they will do to continue their jobs :-|

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This has already happened in a lot of areas already. The result will be half a dozen WAV's for the whole borough. :cry: :cry:


What makes you think that 100% WAV policy will result in so few WAV's for the borough it will just result in a lot of unhappy HC saloon vehicle drivers that have to buy a WAV, which they will do to continue their jobs :-|
The simple answer is price; the price of a WAV is twice the price of say a Skoda Octavia. The running costs of a WAV are at least one third higher, mainly the extra fuel that they use. They are more expensive to maintain e.g. electric steps & the general maintenance. Vans cost more in parts & labour due to there increased size. All these extra charges & no extra work to make up for the increased bills.
In this economic climate it would be suicide to buy one. How many wheelchair users would they actually get to move with their WAV's, not many I suspect? :cry: :cry: :cry:


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This has happened before in other council areas, result no WAVS all PH. Its economics in action! I would however say that in a large city this change can be easier to sustain & less painfull for the owner driver.
I would also say that the plate barons then get involved because the see a £1 to be made out of a few shmuks.


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This has happened before in other council areas, result no WAVS all PH. Its economics in action! I would however say that in a large city this change can be easier to sustain & less painfull for the owner driver.

In rural settings, that aren't taxi numbers restricted, then I can't see too many yokels buying TX4s.

But in urban areas, which are restricted, then I don't see any good reason why every cab shouldn't be a WAV.

If drivers can front up the cash for a plate, then they should also front up for the disabled. :wink:

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This has happened before in other council areas, result no WAVS all PH. Its economics in action! I would however say that in a large city this change can be easier to sustain & less painfull for the owner driver.

In rural settings, that aren't taxi numbers restricted, then I can't see too many yokels buying TX4s.

But in urban areas, which are restricted, then I don't see any good reason why every cab shouldn't be a WAV.

If drivers can front up the cash for a plate, then they should also front up for the disabled. :wink:
I don't see any good reason why any cab should be WAV. I agree with the security aspect of a partition but not the WAV bit.
In an age were we are globally trying to reduce pollution, why are we extolling the virtues of driving around in vans. When what we should be doing is reducing our carbon footprint & reducing fuel consumption.
The new Ford Focus 1.6tdci does over 63mpg, average around town must be at least 50mpg.
The new pug van only does 30mpg around town. I suspect the TX is worse from what our colleges tell us.
It is not best practice its BS. What would you do if Richard Head [licensing officer for Sussex] said right Mr S, next week you must go out and spend double on a new WAV even though they use 50% more in fuel, your car tax goes up £70 & your takings go down. Sounds like a lot of rubbish. The drivers there should oppose it with all there will. I know I would!


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This has already happened in a lot of areas already. The result will be half a dozen WAV's for the whole borough. :cry: :cry:


What makes you think that 100% WAV policy will result in so few WAV's for the borough it will just result in a lot of unhappy HC saloon vehicle drivers that have to buy a WAV, which they will do to continue their jobs :-|
The simple answer is price; the price of a WAV is twice the price of say a Skoda Octavia. The running costs of a WAV are at least one third higher, mainly the extra fuel that they use. They are more expensive to maintain e.g. electric steps & the general maintenance. Vans cost more in parts & labour due to there increased size. All these extra charges & no extra work to make up for the increased bills.
In this economic climate it would be suicide to buy one. How many wheelchair users would they actually get to move with their WAV's, not many I suspect? :cry: :cry: :cry:


We're 100% WAV, we're Dereg and people are still fronting the money for WAV vehicles. The reason behind it is because the WAV can work both systems and they do. Saloon vehicles can only be PH. More and more PH are going onto the HC here as there are more options to earn money and providing you've done your knowledge test (which all HC/PH do) you can have both badges

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I don't see any good reason why any cab should be WAV.

Why should every other service have to cater for wheelchair bound folks, but not ours? The law has been written, all that's needed is a start date.

And as for the green issue, well do you run a green motor, cos I don't know anyone who does. And until a reasonably priced engine, run on a reasonable priced fuel, is mass produced, then only a handful of drivers, out of the 250,000, is going to be able to preach to the rest of us.

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I don't see any good reason why any cab should be WAV.

Why should every other service have to cater for wheelchair bound folks, but not ours? The law has been written, all that's needed is a start date.

And as for the green issue, well do you run a green motor, cos I don't know anyone who does. And until a reasonably priced engine, run on a reasonable priced fuel, is mass produced, then only a handful of drivers, out of the 250,000, is going to be able to preach to the rest of us.
Every other service? What service? The local buses dont cater for wheelchair users or coach companies & I have never seen a wheelchair on a train. Wheelchair users have their own free car to use its called motorbility , which we already pay for. Now if the councils get their way we will have to pay for WAV's as well. They also get free parking & mobility allowance. They also have access to free local council escorted buses with bulit in chair lifts[we also pay for these].
It may sound like I'am anti-disabled, which I'am not just anti-council BS.
If Richard Head licensing officer approached me & said he would like to help me buy a WAV with interest free credit or pay a third towards the cost of a WAV, then great! He would then abolish all the other freebie transport that a disabled person could use and save a lot of cash.
I would then consider getting a WAV.


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You're all missing the point. Wyre Forest Taxi Drivers Association don't want WAVs for themselves, just for anyone else who joins the trade.

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gusmac wrote:
You're all missing the point. Wyre Forest Taxi Drivers Association don't want WAVs for themselves, just for anyone else who joins the trade.

And no mention of any green issues.

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gusmac wrote:
You're all missing the point. Wyre Forest Taxi Drivers Association don't want WAVs for themselves, just for anyone else who joins the trade.
They are then a bunch of misguided all right jacks then. They are going to get all that’s coming to them in 5 to 10 years when their council announces all WAV policy. Then they be coming on here whingeing about how unfair it all is.


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