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Where could they go next if they wanted to continue with there action
It seems unfare that the rest of Europe does not have these WAV rules.


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Where could they go next if they wanted to continue with there action

House of Lords, if they are given leave to appeal.

But I can't see that happening for a number of reasons, costs being one of them.

Can anyone really see them saying WAVs are bad? :?

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Where could they go next if they wanted to continue with there action

House of Lords, if they are given leave to appeal.

But I can't see that happening for a number of reasons, costs being one of them.

Can anyone really see them saying WAVs are bad? :?
WAV's are not bad but forcing them on individuals is, when the councils themselves use rear loading lifts on their own in-house fleets.


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I can even see in the future councils insisting PH be WAV's, so be warned!


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I can even see in the future councils insisting PH be WAV's, so be warned!

The difference with PH is that they can legally work just about anywhere, so if area A said PH must be 100% WAV, then all area A's PH would just go and license in B but carry on working in A. :D

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You always make the same mistake, it doesn't matter whether the customer is in the street or at home. :wink:

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[48] It is, of course, the case that, at pages 169 to 173 of the appeal print, the sheriff expressed his view concerning the lawfulness of the policy adopted by the appellants and the licensing conditions which implemented that policy. He expressed the opinion at page 173 that the development of that policy and the licensing conditions associated with it was ultra vires, going beyond the powers entrusted to the appellants by Parliament. Before us, counsel for the respondent did not attempt to defend the sheriff's reasoning which led him to that conclusion.


So even Sneddon's counsel didn't bother to advance the sheriff's ultra vires argument ](*,)

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In brief, it was, as we understand it, that, since the Secretary of State had not exercised the regulation- making power conferred in section 20 of the 1982 Act, it was not open to the appellants to develop such a policy as is in question here, with associated conditions. Like counsel for the respondent, we consider that the sheriff's reasoning in this regard was erroneous, for the reasons we have already expressed. Simply because the Secretary of State has a power to make regulations in relation to the suitability of vehicles for use as taxis, with particular regard to the needs of the disabled, as appears from section 20(2A), which has not been exercised, does not lead to the conclusion reached by the sheriff.


And weren't some on here arguing that because the SoS hadn't made regs under s.20(2) then councils didn't have powers to make any conditions relating to vehicles at all? :roll:


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Pass me some humble pie. 8)

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Sussex wrote:
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Where could they go next if they wanted to continue with there action

House of Lords, if they are given leave to appeal.

But I can't see that happening for a number of reasons, costs being one of them.

Can anyone really see them saying WAVs are bad? :?


Think of the cash these 34 individuals saved by not putting a WAV on the road for the last seven years, running about in Y reg Skoda Octavias and the like

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Pass me some humble pie. 8)


I think a few people on here will need a share of it, small portions all round?

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Pass me some humble pie. 8)


I think a few people on here will need a share of it, small portions all round?


=D> =D> =D> =D> Is the pie big enough ?????

The decision can only assure LA's that they are now in a unchallengeable position.......... :D


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A more easier to read version of the judgement can now be found on bailii.

Sneddon v. Renfrewshire Council [2009]

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Pass me some humble pie. 8)


I think a few people on here will need a share of it, small portions all round?


=D> =D> =D> =D> Is the pie big enough ?????

The decision can only assure LA's that they are now in a unchallengeable position.......... :D


I do think your wrong, there are cases where the saloon trade has beaten these dumb decisions......would like to know the background with sneddon before passing final judgement

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I think that Glasgow's airport could put the cat among the pigeons so to speak by refusing to allow wavs unless they are pree booked to use the airport rank
This would realy get the councils backs up


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I think that Glasgow's airport could put the cat among the pigeons so to speak by refusing to allow wavs unless they are pree booked to use the airport rank
This would realy get the councils backs up


That would mean no cabs using the rank, since all cabs licensed for Glasgow Airport now have to be WAV.

IMO Sneddon had a good case and lost. I believe the court made a politically correct judgement and suspect the hand of politics intervened behind the scenes. That's just my opinion and isn't worth sh*t BTW.
Point is the court's judgement now allows councils to specify which type vehicle license holders must provide, and we have to live with it.

Taken in conjuntion with last year's Wilson v Aberdeen decision, councils can impose WAVs on some drivers and not on others. No regard is given to the increased costs faced by some and the unfair financial advantage handed to others.
To be honest, it beggars belief.

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