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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 8:26 pm 
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I cant see how 10 seater with that type of seating could be given a PCV (minibus) licence ..thats if it had one.


Our limo company has a CoIF'd Ford Excursion Licenced to carry 13 passengers it IS licenced just the same as a minibus, fitted with tacho & speed limiter and the drivers have PCV licences.

We DO NOT run self drive.........

I drive a P/H Taxi and a Limousine - I have my CRB Enhanced Certificate from my Local Council.

Don't tar every1 with the same brush, there are some of us out there that work it correctly.


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Our limo company has a CoIF'd Ford Excursion Licenced to carry 13 passengers it IS licenced just the same as a minibus and the drivers have PCV licences.

We DO NOT run self drive.........

I drive a P/H Taxi and a Limousine - I have my CRB Enhanced Certificate from my Local Council.

Which does beg the question as to why if you can get licensed, then why can't the others?

What have they got to hide? :?

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Which does beg the question as to why if you can get licensed, then why can't the others?

What have they got to hide? :?


Question we have often asked ourselves.........

We do it legal and get penalised, as CoIF cost us an extra £10k but as we run on full UK/European O'Licence it was the only route for us to go.

We won't carry alcohol on football matches - hence we have nothing going to Wembly this weekend.....

The law states
"PSV operators are reminded of the terms of Section 1 (1) of the Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol) Act 1985, as amended by the Public Order Act 1986, which prohibits the carriage of alcohol on a PSV that is being used for the principal purpose of carrying passengers for the whole or part of a journey to or from a designated sporting event.

A “designated sporting event” generally means any association football match, whether national or international. The full legal definition of “designated sporting events” may be found in The Sports Grounds and Sporting Events (Designation Order) 1985, as amended by SI 1520/1987.

It is an offence for an operator of a PSV (or his servant or agent) knowingly to cause or permit the carriage of alcohol on journeys to which these Regulations apply."

Those not licenced or operating correctly have nothing to loose but we would be hung drwn and quartered.......


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Madam I take my hat off to you.
I always say if you are going to do it do it right, The cowboys that operate this self drive system do so they avoid going through the strict rules that apply when you try to obtain a O License.The argument that there is no place for there vehicle and they cant get a COiF on them are b@ll@cks.As you can get the older Hummers converted, as I have seen on a advert on Ebay.
Please note Mr A Class stated his Bentley is on self drive hire. he cant or wont even license that. There are many reasons licenses are not granted to people maybe this is why he wont go the legal route.


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Now I'm in a generous mood so I'm going to give Mr A Class the benefit of the doubt and say he is running a 'fine and dandy' outfit, and all the drivers pass the same level of check as his local council require for taxi and PH drivers.

But what happens when someone who doesn't have proper checks gets involved in this self-drive lark? :?

Are we all happy about that? Are we all happy that some clever ***t has come up with a scam that allows any old scumbag free access to kids?

Is there anyone who thinks the courts and VOSA will put up with a system like that? And even if they do, is there anyone who thinks parliament will allow this to happen?

I for one don't, and I'm 100% certain the shelf life of the scam isn't that far off it's sell buy date.

If the lady from Manchester can do it right, then why Mr A Class can't you?

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Madam I take my hat off to you.
I always say if you are going to do it do it right, The cowboys that operate this self drive system do so they avoid going through the strict rules that apply when you try to obtain a O License.The argument that there is no place for there vehicle and they cant get a COiF on them are b@ll@cks.As you can get the older Hummers converted, as I have seen on a advert on Ebay.
Please note Mr A Class stated his Bentley is on self drive hire. he cant or wont even license that. There are many reasons licenses are not granted to people maybe this is why he wont go the legal route.



I see some of the chav movers around London now have TFL Red Route stickers on them?

Are TFL licensing them now, or is this a case of some of them getting hold of Minicab stickers?


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Are TFL licensing them now, or is this a case of some of them getting hold of Minicab stickers?

I had a long chat with one of the top enforcement chaps at TfL about a year ago, and he is very much of the opinion that no Limo/Hummer will be allowed to ply their trade in London without a license.

And come October, I think, any unlicensed motor will be squashed. :D

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If that was extended to touts cars or cabs, that would be something, but alas and as per usual the men in wigs will pop up and the reality will be that little will happen.

Legal arguements a plenty.


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If that was extended to touts cars or cabs, that would be something, but alas and as per usual the men in wigs will pop up and the reality will be that little will happen.

If it's written down in statutes, then those in the wigs can't do a thing. :D

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you can get the older Hummers converted, as I have seen on a advert on Ebay.


This Hummer conversion is a NEW thing - they have only just got all the legalities sorted and can now CoIF them - so things should start to change soon. Quite a few operators are now going down this route and good on them!

As per your driving licence - over 8 seat requires a PCV licence AND the vehicle should be PCV tested - NOT run on some crummy self drive (scam) operation.

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Ladyjan wrote:
no tips wrote:
you can get the older Hummers converted, as I have seen on a advert on Ebay.


This Hummer conversion is a NEW thing - they have only just got all the legalities sorted and can now CoIF them - so things should start to change soon. Quite a few operators are now going down this route and good on them!

As per your driving licence - requires a PCV licence AND the vehicle should be PCV tested - NOT run on some crummy self drive (scam) operation.

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over 8 seat

passenger seats, not total seats.....

Q. If a job required two drivers and there were 10 seats but only 8 pasengers would it be a PCV or PHV reg covering it?...

is a "passenger" anyone OTHER than the actual driver or can a 2 man crew count?

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Ladyjan wrote:
no tips wrote:
you can get the older Hummers converted, as I have seen on a advert on Ebay.


This Hummer conversion is a NEW thing - they have only just got all the legalities sorted and can now CoIF them - so things should start to change soon. Quite a few operators are now going down this route and good on them!

As per your driving licence - requires a PCV licence AND the vehicle should be PCV tested - NOT run on some crummy self drive (scam) operation.

IMHO


over 8 seat

passenger seats, not total seats.....

Q. If a job required two drivers and there were 10 seats but only 8 pasengers would it be a PCV or PHV reg covering it?...

is a "passenger" anyone OTHER than the actual driver or can a 2 man crew count?


Private hire only covers 8 passengers and 1 driver. Or I suppose you could have 7 passengers and 2 drivers.

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Q. If a job required two drivers and there were 10 seats but only 8 pasengers would it be a PCV or PHV reg covering it?...

is a "passenger" anyone OTHER than the actual driver or can a 2 man crew count?


Good question - as in the 8 PASSENGER seat limos there is NO passenger seat in the front next to the driver, or at least if you run it right, there shouldn't be one - so where would the 2nd driver sit???

I will have a word with my Transport manager when he gets in and get back to you on this!!!!

Edit!!! Have had a word with my manager and he say's "Any vehicle with MORE than 8 passenger seats is required to have a PCV test & licence " - doesn't matter if only 1 passenger in it, coz it's capable of carring over 8..... The 2nd driver would have to go in the back with the passengers or use a feeder driver.


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An update on the accident for you. The other vehicle in the accident, you remember, the one that didn't get a mention in the article that was being driven by a taxi driver who had previously had his badge taken away and then given back. Well it was inspected today and only one of the wheels had a brake that worked. The word is that the MOT was issued by Stevie Wonder. I hope he is good at catching because I think someone will be throwing the book at him.

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An update on the accident for you. The other vehicle in the accident, you remember, the one that didn't get a mention in the article that was being driven by a taxi driver who had previously had his badge taken away and then given back. Well it was inspected today and only one of the wheels had a brake that worked. The word is that the MOT was issued by Stevie Wonder. I hope he is good at catching because I think someone will be throwing the book at him.

Maybe they can both be prosecuted at the same time. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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