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I'm confused now. What you're saying is it's ok to get a plate free and then sell it so long as you've fought for the right to have one through a court case. Surely if you won the court case then your costs would have been met by the council thus not really costing anything :? Do you really want total uncontrable delimitation, have you thought of the consquences if it happens?


no im saying that quantity controls shouldnt be there at all.


i am for removal of quantity controls.

not quality.

and yes they did pay my expenses.

especially when i countered a smaller amount during negotiations and the council refused to pay ,it went to taxation and i got more whoopeee :lol:

that to made me all warm inside.how about you edinburgh boy :mrgreen: :mrgreen: its that money that i used to put down more applications :lol: :lol:


I don't agree with uncontrolable dilimitation for the sake of it and I'm not so sure I agree with your morals regarding what you do with the plates once you get them, but hey ho it's your area not mine. I'm already suffering the consquences of delimiting and even with high quality control it ain't good

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I'm confused now. What you're saying is it's ok to get a plate free and then sell it so long as you've fought for the right to have one through a court case. Surely if you won the court case then your costs would have been met by the council thus not really costing anything :? Do you really want total uncontrable delimitation, have you thought of the consquences if it happens?


no im saying that quantity controls shouldnt be there at all.


i am for removal of quantity controls.

not quality.

and yes they did pay my expenses.

especially when i countered a smaller amount during negotiations and the council refused to pay ,it went to taxation and i got more whoopeee :lol:

that to made me all warm inside.how about you edinburgh boy :mrgreen: :mrgreen: its that money that i used to put down more applications :lol: :lol:


I don't agree with uncontrolable dilimitation for the sake of it and I'm not so sure I agree with your morals regarding what you do with the plates once you get them, but hey ho it's your area not mine. I'm already suffering the consquences of delimiting and even with high quality control it ain't good

so whats youre solution then toots
the current system is unfair,expensive and a huge gamble.

ppl will always fight against it putting the ppl who have bought in at risk.
and the ppl who have bought in can always exploit those that havent.

i prefer evryone on an even keel.

i think it may be the recesion thats having an effect on you and not the fact that you have extra competition.


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But this time you have no hope in HELL in winning any case and you know it :mrgreen: But its fun watching you fail, it makes me glow inside lol


Didn't they say the same thing last time? :wink:

They did indeed.

Time and time again they were ripping the pi** into Ali T asking him when he was going to get his plate.

I wonder why they stopped asking him? :D

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I'm confused now. What you're saying is it's ok to get a plate free and then sell it so long as you've fought for the right to have one through a court case. Surely if you won the court case then your costs would have been met by the council thus not really costing anything :? Do you really want total uncontrable delimitation, have you thought of the consquences if it happens?

I think he is saying that no-one has a right to pontificate over the rights and wrongs of selling a plate when they also support taxi quotas.

And if he isn't, then I am. :wink:

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so whats youre solution then toots
the current system is unfair,expensive and a huge gamble.

ppl will always fight against it putting the ppl who have bought in at risk.
and the ppl who have bought in can always exploit those that havent.

i prefer evryone on an even keel.

i think it may be the recesion thats having an effect on you and not the fact that you have extra competition.


As I've said before I don't have the solution, I really wish I did cos I don't agree that people should be able to sell plates either.

I really wish it was the recession that was having a negative effect on our situation but the recession has just made a bad situation worse.

Personally I think the way forward would possibly be through high driver standards as well as high quality control on the vehicles.

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I think he is saying that no-one has a right to pontificate over the rights and wrongs of selling a plate when they also support taxi quotas.

And if he isn't, then I am


One could say the same regarding the rights and wrongs of taxi quotas when they are quite happy to sell plates to those that can't get them

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One could say the same regarding the rights and wrongs of taxi quotas when they are quite happy to sell plates to those that can't get them

There are not that many folks in this trade who can take any sort of moral high ground, including me, but it's the system that allows the abuse that needs sorting, not the abusers.

And you wont have the latter if the former is binned. :wink:

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One could say the same regarding the rights and wrongs of taxi quotas when they are quite happy to sell plates to those that can't get them

There are not that many folks in this trade who can take any sort of moral high ground, including me, but it's the system that allows the abuse that needs sorting, not the abusers.

And you wont have the latter if the former is binned. :wink:

bingo :wink:
i only wish i could shorten my sentences and get my point over in so little words.

maybe its because i have to explain things to halfwits,thats turned me into some sort of boring lecturar ..letchuler lechweski....ah feck it.

and i canae spell :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 2:06 am 
Well I thank you for clearing that up Ali and your motives.


Sadly I feel you are infact the Sheriff of Hoodingham, you are saying you want to crush the system so you can run cheap taxis for the drivers who don't wish to be owners? this is a lie in itself because you know and I know the fact you sold on within a year shows money is your motive really isn't it and you will charge the going rate and become another plate baron, anyway moving on, if I was a solicitor for the council I would think I would be in a strong position to defend the council this time as you have clearly abused the system for personal gain, infact unless you gave any profit to charity I'd say someone might have a case to sue you for the blatant abuse you've engineered, as the read goes on it becomes all to clear you are infact hellbent on damaging the trade rather than contributing towards it, I think the thread shows from the replies from you and certain others that your mission is anything but the one you've stated in earlier threads, it's just pure greed to further your own ends, anyway thanks again for at least replying with an answer that explains a few things.


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Well I thank you for clearing that up Ali and your motives.


Sadly I feel you are infact the Sheriff of Hoodingham, you are saying you want to crush the system so you can run cheap taxis for the drivers who don't wish to be owners? this is a lie in itself because you know and I know the fact you sold on within a year shows money is your motive really isn't it and you will charge the going rate and become another plate baron, anyway moving on, if I was a solicitor for the council I would think I would be in a strong position to defend the council this time as you have clearly abused the system for personal gain, infact unless you gave any profit to charity I'd say someone might have a case to sue you for the blatant abuse you've engineered, as the read goes on it becomes all to clear you are infact hellbent on damaging the trade rather than contributing towards it, I think the thread shows from the replies from you and certain others that your mission is anything but the one you've stated in earlier threads, it's just pure greed to further your own ends, anyway thanks again for at least replying with an answer that explains a few things.

as i thought you didnt read it.

how can i charge the going rate(which is extortinate by the way) in a derestricted market :?: ,charge to much and people will go elswere.or put there own taxi on.

i said if they deristrict then i rent out.
if the cap stays on i will sell both the plates
savvy :?:

as for the rest of your pap.
you clearly have no grasp of the law.then again you did say "if you were a council solicitor" so maybe youre right as they also have no grasp of it.

and get this straight this is your system,the one that you advocate,im mearly working it.
if it wasnt there i couldnt do that could i.

btw of course money is my motive,is it not yours when you go to work,run youre business or whatever you call it. :?: :?: :?:


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Out of curiousity how much is it to rent a taxi there?

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Well I thank you for clearing that up Ali and your motives.


Sadly I feel you are infact the Sheriff of Hoodingham, you are saying you want to crush the system so you can run cheap taxis for the drivers who don't wish to be owners? this is a lie in itself because you know and I know the fact you sold on within a year shows money is your motive really isn't it and you will charge the going rate and become another plate baron, anyway moving on, if I was a solicitor for the council I would think I would be in a strong position to defend the council this time as you have clearly abused the system for personal gain, infact unless you gave any profit to charity I'd say someone might have a case to sue you for the blatant abuse you've engineered, as the read goes on it becomes all to clear you are infact hellbent on damaging the trade rather than contributing towards it, I think the thread shows from the replies from you and certain others that your mission is anything but the one you've stated in earlier threads, it's just pure greed to further your own ends, anyway thanks again for at least replying with an answer that explains a few things.

as i thought you didnt read it.

how can i charge the going rate(which is extortinate by the way) in a derestricted market :?: ,charge to much and people will go elswere.or put there own taxi on.

i said if they deristrict then i rent out.
if the cap stays on i will sell both the plates
savvy :?:

as for the rest of your pap.
you clearly have no grasp of the law.then again you did say "if you were a council solicitor" so maybe youre right as they also have no grasp of it.

and get this straight this is your system,the one that you advocate,im mearly working it.
if it wasnt there i couldnt do that could i.

btw of course money is my motive,is it not yours when you go to work,run youre business or whatever you call it. :?: :?: :?:




No, the difference between me and you is you are profiteering on purpose, you and I are not the same, my system isn't one to plate trade, mine is to not get swamped and have no trade, well it's almost like that now anyway but you know what I mean, but however you must realise that you are going around the net crowing about how you've pulled a fast one, and this is a dangerous thing to do long term, especially up your way, and as for money motive, mine is to earn a living to pay my bills, yours seems to be exploit a loophole for gains, and could you answer Toots' question, so I can compare with our charges.


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Out of curiousity how much is it to rent a taxi there?

£270 > £ 350

depends on lots of things i suppose

add the fuel and your talking min £400 before you make a bolt.

you may make £300 on top of that if youre lucky even in this climate.
divide that by 60 hours and your on a £5 an hour,and more importantly youre at the mercy of guys like doom,god forbid if your turkish and want your own plate eh doom. :lol: :lol:


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No, the difference between me and you is you are profiteering on purpose, you and I are not the same, my system isn't one to plate trade, mine is to not get swamped and have no trade, well it's almost like that now anyway but you know what I mean, but however you must realise that you are going around the net crowing about how you've pulled a fast one, and this is a dangerous thing to do long term, especially up your way, and as for money motive, mine is to earn a living to pay my bills, yours seems to be exploit a loophole for gains, and could you answer Toots' question, so I can compare with our charges.

well it may look like that but i can assure you!everything i do is by accident. :lol:
and i certainly didnt start out to profiteer! on purpose or otherwise. :wink:

but you did, you knew the plate was worth something.
tell me doom do you rent youre cab out,or is it not the done thing in the "yet to be disclosed LA that you work in"

so whats youre primary reason for having a cab doom.
money?
or is it some sort of social responsibility like many claim up hear.
is it for the trade?
the customer?
your family?

is there some reason i should feal ashamed at turning a profit,after all if it wasnt for the council and the policies that you advocate.and the fact that they took us into court .

then i wouldnt have accidentally turned a profit.
i would have been happy if they had granted at the beggining.
they didnt i and others are monsters (if that is what we are) of the council,and the taxi trades making.

they do say that happens :wink:


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ALI T wrote:
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Out of curiousity how much is it to rent a taxi there?

£270 > £ 350

depends on lots of things i suppose

add the fuel and your talking min £400 before you make a bolt.

you may make £300 on top of that if youre lucky even in this climate.
divide that by 60 hours and your on a £5 an hour,and more importantly youre at the mercy of guys like doom,god forbid if your turkish and want your own plate eh doom. :lol: :lol:


Does that include insurance?

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toots wrote:
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Out of curiousity how much is it to rent a taxi there?

£270 > £ 350

depends on lots of things i suppose

add the fuel and your talking min £400 before you make a bolt.

you may make £300 on top of that if youre lucky even in this climate.
divide that by 60 hours and your on a £5 an hour,and more importantly youre at the mercy of guys like doom,god forbid if your turkish and want your own plate eh doom. :lol: :lol:


Does that include insurance?


Yes it does Toots,
That 270 to 350 per week is the reason people are trying to get the council to lift number restriction, so they could save around 600 per month after they have paid for the finance and insurance on there own cab, even more if they buy second hand


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