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That is why we are in a mess today, the wealth is more unevenly distributed than ever before and that is a big part of the reasons as to why we get so many recessions.


:? :? :? How so


Going back about 2 months ago B.P (I think) declared that they had made 37 Billion profit :shock: which was less than the "Stock Market" expected.

Sooo! they said that they would get rid of three thousand jobs to cut costs and presumably to make larger profits.

Now my take on this is the following; the profit that they are making is vulgar, why Ooh why does any company need that kind of money because all it does is please the "Stock Market" and the high fliers in the company.

What if they instead of getting rid of three thousand jobs they paid those people shall we say 50K per annum which with add ons would come to around 20 million per annum. I am thinking that they would then have to go to the "Stock market" and declare that they only made 36,980,000,000 - how awful!

The 3,000 would then spend the money earned on Housing,Retail,Vehicles in fact all the things that keep the local/general economies going. You are probably thinking that it is a lot of money to pay out, but companies like BP will waste that kind of money on diamond drill bits and other expensive machinery that they smash up on a daily basis - and then just write it off as exploration costs without a second thought.

Also bare in mind it was Thatcher who said - work hard and you will share in the riches - excuse my language , but what a load of bollards.

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That is why we are in a mess today, the wealth is more unevenly distributed than ever before and that is a big part of the reasons as to why we get so many recessions.


:? :? :? How so


Going back about 2 months ago B.P (I think) declared that they had made 37 Billion profit :shock: which was less than the "Stock Market" expected.

Sooo! they said that they would get rid of three thousand jobs to cut costs and presumably to make larger profits.

Now make take on this is the following; the profit that they are making is vulgar, why Ooh why does any company need that kind of money because all it does is please the "Stock Market" and the high fliers in the company.

What if they instead of getting rid of three thousand jobs they paid those people shall we say 50K per annum which with add ons would come to around 20 million per annum. I am thinking that they would then have to go to the "Stock market" and declare that they only made 36,980,000,000 - how awful!

The 3,000 would then spend the money earned on Housing,Retail,Vehicles in fact all the things that keep the local/general economies going. You are probably thinking that it is a lot of money to pay out, but companies like BP will waste that kind of money on diamond drill bits and other expensive machinery that they smash up on a daily basis - and then just write it off as exploration costs without a second thought.

Also bare in mind it was Thatcher who said - work hard and you will share in the riches - excuse my language , but what a load of bollards.


that was a long explanation but thank you it all makes sense now :D

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That is why we are in a mess today, the wealth is more unevenly distributed than ever before and that is a big part of the reasons as to why we get so many recessions.


:? :? :? How so


Going back about 2 months ago B.P (I think) declared that they had made 37 Billion profit :shock: which was less than the "Stock Market" expected.

Sooo! they said that they would get rid of three thousand jobs to cut costs and presumably to make larger profits.

Now my take on this is the following; the profit that they are making is vulgar, why Ooh why does any company need that kind of money because all it does is please the "Stock Market" and the high fliers in the company.

What if they instead of getting rid of three thousand jobs they paid those people shall we say 50K per annum which with add ons would come to around 20 million per annum. I am thinking that they would then have to go to the "Stock market" and declare that they only made 36,980,000,000 - how awful!

The 3,000 would then spend the money earned on Housing,Retail,Vehicles in fact all the things that keep the local/general economies going. You are probably thinking that it is a lot of money to pay out, but companies like BP will waste that kind of money on diamond drill bits and other expensive machinery that they smash up on a daily basis - and then just write it off as exploration costs without a second thought.

Also bare in mind it was Thatcher who said - work hard and you will share in the riches - excuse my language , but what a load of bollards.


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That is why we are in a mess today, the wealth is more unevenly distributed than ever before and that is a big part of the reasons as to why we get so many recessions.


:? :? :? How so


Going back about 2 months ago B.P (I think) declared that they had made 37 Billion profit :shock: which was less than the "Stock Market" expected.

Sooo! they said that they would get rid of three thousand jobs to cut costs and presumably to make larger profits.

Now my take on this is the following; the profit that they are making is vulgar



excuse me, your on a computer, PROBABLY running windows xp/vista, are you mad at bill gates too then?...

do you expect people to start companies to make SMALL profits?

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That £37bn profit is reinvested in new projects to keep oil flowing to keep fuel prices at an 'affordable' level to enable you and me to work. The 'stock market' is the source of funds to start that investment, similar to your HP for your car. 'Dividends paid' equate to your interest receipts on your building society account. The lower than expected profits from BP means less funding for investment and some projects will be delayed.

The existence of the markets did not start in 1979 with the Thatcher government. They first appeared in the 17th century in the coffee houses of London.

Margaret Thatcher sorted out a bankrupt country and gave us back our pride. Her legacy has been frittered away by the present crowd, in particular the man who has been Chancellor and then Prime Minister throughout the period. We are going to need another Maggie with the strength of character and commitment to sort out the mess again.


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That £37bn profit is reinvested in new projects to keep oil flowing to keep fuel prices at an 'affordable' level to enable you and me to work. The 'stock market' is the source of funds to start that investment, similar to your HP for your car. 'Dividends paid' equate to your interest receipts on your building society account. The lower than expected profits from BP means less funding for investment and some projects will be delayed.

The existence of the markets did not start in 1979 with the Thatcher government. They first appeared in the 17th century in the coffee houses of London.

Margaret Thatcher sorted out a bankrupt country and gave us back our pride. Her legacy has been frittered away by the present crowd, in particular the man who has been Chancellor and then Prime Minister throughout the period. We are going to need another Maggie with the strength of character and commitment to sort out the mess again.



well said that man

Labour+Gordie have put us right in the doo doo with quickfix for the banks, weve bailed em out and they havent passed on the lowest bank of england bank rate for 300 years, who are the suckers?...

gordie knows in 12 months time HE will be in opposition (if he dont quit) and be able to poke fun as the tories try to sort out his mess...

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do you expect people to start companies to make SMALL profits?


I think that you have to put things into perspective..

Every company/business needs to make profit and this I totally accept, but there comes a time when there is necessary profit and then there is vulgar profit. In this country many companies have relocated abroad, not because they were not making enough money - it was because they wanted more, and stuff the work force that took them to where they are!

What possible justification can "Micro Soft" or "BP" ever have for making people who helped to make their wealth into figures that are unimaginable redundant?

Bill Gates himself has set up foundations to help many people in the world, and in doing so is probably doing more than most of the wealthy people of the world. Having said that, then his workforce should always benefit from security of jobs.

At the moment they (in this country) are moving jobs abroad to make more and more money, and when that is exhausted they will no doubt move a couple of light years away to another planet to a cheaper source of labour - Soo where does all the money go ? individuals,individuals,individuals,individuals, - certainly not you or I.

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so CJ, if you were in Bill gates shoes, you would not want to see your company growing daily then?

and why would any company not shed unwanted staff?

i think your confusing a business with a charity

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so CJ, if you were in Bill gates shoes, you would not want to see your company growing daily then?

and why would any company not shed unwanted staff?

i think your confusing a business with a charity




Companies that get so big end up getting broken up so how much more can you grow when you are the biggest by a mile, he has the best brains in the world working for him in turning out bigger and better products and he also has this..................


http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source ... DR_0YMtZqQ


And! Not knowing you were going to quote BG it goes back to this.


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"Soo where does all the money go ? individuals,individuals,individuals,individuals, - certainly not you or I.


Apart from the sex industry every other business disappears over the centuries, whether it be by acquisition or just gets broken up. So please tell me what good it is to you or I if we are working for BG and he bins us, do you stand there singing praises to BG OR do you say........look at all the money he has got and will never spend, he could have kept a small Republic and my family going for an eternity.........it was totally unecessary.

P.S I know the difference between a business and a charity, do you know what it is like to look at the overall big picture?

We live in an extremely greedy society and then people are tossed to one side having helped to create that wealth, and quite frankly once the likes of BG makes that kind of money then I am not concerned as to whether he is a business or a charity, because as the saying goes - charity begins at home.

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Apart from the sex industry every other business disappears over the centuries, whether it be by acquisition or just gets broken up. So please tell me what good it is to you or I if we are working for BG and he bins us, do you stand there singing praises to BG OR do you say........look at all the money he has got and will never spend, he could have kept a small Republic and my family going for an eternity.........it was totally unecessary.

P.S I know the difference between a business and a charity, do you know what it is like to look at the overall big picture?

We live in an extremely greedy society and then people are tossed to one side having helped to create that wealth, and quite frankly once the likes of BG makes that kind of money then I am not concerned as to whether he is a business or a charity, because as the saying goes - charity begins at home.


you are a shining light, a beacon of humanity and are to be praised for it, heres 20p, phone someone who wants to hear it....

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PS, what about the 80% of the workforce who DONT get made redundant, arent they to blame, shouldnt they offer to swap places with those sacked?....

when that happens i will change my view...

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PS, what about the 80% of the workforce who DONT get made redundant, arent they to blame, shouldnt they offer to swap places with those sacked?....

when that happens i will change my view...


I would normally offer to explain but tbh I do not want to waste my time, I feel that I could put fact after fact in front of you - and it would not make a blind bit of difference, so why bother.

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Best PM we've ever had.

Kicked the likes of the GMB into touch. :wink:

Get used to it, the Tory Party is coming back to power in a town near you next year.


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Get used to it, the Tory Party is coming back to power in a town near you next year.


em, no they're not. Unless the border moves a damn sight further north. :lol:

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Seems to have gone astray a bit here, but to address a couple of my own observations, when a company makes billions those billions go out of circulation and then suck in more money in interest to make the money bus even slower, how any company can make a profit like that and then make ppl redundant is criminal, you make ppl redundant when you are making a loss each month, then it's justified, and example I will give is this, we'll use Tesco as our model but it could be any of the supermarkets, a long time ago the house on the corner was a shop, a family ran it and the streets around it used it, the family then made a good living and nobody drove to get their shopping, then arrived Tesco, the small shop went under because he didn't have the buying power and he then went to work for Tesco, but now he does the same job for 10% of what he used to earn in his own unit, eventually this was repeated and thats why houses on the corner have a bricked up doorway on the corner, so he now doesn't have 90% of the money he used to have, Tesco does, and Tesco makes large wages for a small %age, rather than a country full of shopkeepers, see the problem now?


Now we move over to Bill Gates, again far too much money for one man, but Bill has an ace up his sleeve, he gives large sums of it away to help others, he could also have made a lot more if he chased piracy with a vengenge, but he doesn't, so although he's holding too much of the world pot, he does at least release some back for free.


Back to Mags, as the OP said, he's not sorry for her, and as I added what you see today is 20 years worth of her I'm alright Jack policy at work, forget who came later etc, she sowed the bleedin seed, she was the Titanic's iceberg, Newcastle Utd owner, the plane on 9/11, she set in motion the systematic policy that will see you all end up begging for a bowl of rice, play Monopoly if you need proof, and only buy Old Kent Rd and see how long you stay in the game.


@ Wannbee, you've totally missed the point, if you look John is from Cardiff, Mrs T made it her personal mission to kill the coal industry and she did, this makes her Welsh ppl's favorite pinup, or put another way tomorrow you lose your badge and cab through no fault of your own and there are no other jobs, how would you feel, when were 100% dependant on Russia for Gas in the near future you may understand it a bit more, we had Gas, but guess who sold it all cheap to other countries?


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