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gusmac

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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:25 pm

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If there are too many hack drivers, then standards need to be looked at.
If there are too many PH drivers, thats unlucky as there are few standards.

The standards here for both PH and HC are high or as high as any other good council. No older than 3 years on 1st reg. Same knowledge test & Btec for new drivers. The vehicles are different cos the HC has to be a WAV but they get a longer life span than the PH. Having HC on the PH system does decrease earnings cos they take the 5+ seater work when 2 cars would have been the norm. It would be pointless going to the expense of being a HC at the moment. There isn't enough work and there aren't enough rank spaces so driving around in circles appears to be the only option.

Anyway all that aside there are those for de-reg for their own reasons and those against it for their reasons. I'm against it cos I've seen it not work. If there is to be de-reg then it should be across the board and there may as well just be one taxi trade not two. Before you say there is only one taxi trade from a customer point of view there is two and it's the customer we're all so concerned about

I don't disagree. How do you propose implementing it?
All taxis 100% WAV or Saloon?
Mixed fleet? Who has to shell out for a WAV and who does not?
All drivers to pass same knowledge and other entry standards, including any who gained their badge before such standards came in?

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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:51 pm

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It's not for me to work it out, but, I would if it was me have a mixed fleet of WAV's and saloons. I would however think that the saloon should be a Mercedes, that should compensate some way with the price and quality of the vehicles provided.

All drivers should have to pass a comprehensive knowledge test and have proper training before they get a badge. Those drivers that already have badges should attend a refresher course (free of charge) in hours to suit them. There should also be implemented a dress code. That is what it would be like in Tootsville :wink:

It can't be denied that the taxi laws and PH regulations need a total rethink and brought into the 21st century. IMO A single trade would be far better for the customer

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Jasbar

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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:12 pm

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One licensing regime. There should be vehicle choice. Same driver quality controls.

Council's could offer incentives for choosing a WAV. Reduced or zero licence fees for example. Incentives for carrying Wheelchair passengers. Right to pick up off the street for WAVs only.

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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:48 pm

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Jasbar wrote:

If you give the right to pick up off the street to WAVs only you still have a 2 tier system that the public do not understand or care about when they want to get home. Apart from which not all wheelchair users remain in the chair when in a taxi.

Zero licence fees wouldn't encourage me to get a WAV I'd only save a couple of 100 quid. Perhaps zero vat rating may be an option

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Jasbar

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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:02 pm

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Only suggestions.

Zero rated vat? Who's VAT registered?

It's not the way taxis are licensed that's the problem, it's how they operate.

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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:27 pm

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Jasbar wrote:

Only suggestions.

Zero rated vat? Who's VAT registered?

It's not the way taxis are licensed that's the problem, it's how they operate.

The VAT could be removed at source when the vehicle is purchased. I don't see a problem with how they are licensed or operated. The only problem I see is the one caused by the public being ignorant of the difference and the drivers that flout the law. Take the difference away and that is one less problem to solve

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Jasbar

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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:22 am

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There's no chance of tinkering with VAT. It's not going to happen.

I don't see any problem with a free vehicle choice.

Personally I would rather drive an E7 or M8 than a saloon.

As well as being WAV they are also more adaptable for other uses. And flexibility is what is needed t bridge the bad times.

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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:14 am

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As well as being WAV they are also more adaptable for other uses

What other uses do you need it for

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There's no chance of tinkering with VAT. It's not going to happen

You don't know this for sure anything is possible. It maybe they would reduce the VAT by a % making it a worthwhile investment to have a WAV.

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grandad

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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:45 am

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Jasbar wrote:

There's no chance of tinkering with VAT. It's not going to happen.

They tinkered with VAT last November. :wink:

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Jasbar

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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:53 pm

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toots wrote:

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As well as being WAV they are also more adaptable for other uses

What other uses do you need it for

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There's no chance of tinkering with VAT. It's not going to happen

You don't know this for sure anything is possible. It maybe they would reduce the VAT by a % making it a worthwhile investment to have a WAV.

USES

Deliveries - Flowers, Vehicle Parts, Catalogue items, parcels - any non hazardous goods.

VAT

Last November tha rate of VAT was changed, albeit temporarily.

I suggest that to change how it is applied to a item would require the OK from the EU. I would further suggest that to apply a reduction in the way suggested would be anti-competitive, a breach of the competon rules.

I suggest that it wouldn't happen.

Does anyone have any examples where this has been done before?

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grandad

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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:23 pm

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There is an example in our very own industry. VAT is currently 15% for vehicles that carry up to 9 people including the driver but if you go to 10 people including the driver it is zero rated. This is for the carrying capacity of the vehicle you don't actually have to be carrying the full quota. If the vehicle is built or adapted to carry 10 people including the driver it is zero rated even if there is only one passenger.

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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:29 pm

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USES

Deliveries - Flowers, Vehicle Parts, Catalogue items, parcels - any non hazardous goods.

Providing you don't want to use it for airport runs cos there isn't much room for luggage in the boot, which is the safest place to put it :wink:

If the saloon car is an estate it has just as many uses.

Anyway all that aside there is good and bad in all vehicles that is why I suggest a mixed fleet be used to provide all round taxi services.

Just be glad I'm not in charge with any authority over taxis cos they'd all be sparkley pink :lol:

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Jasbar

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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:13 pm

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"Sparkley Pink"?

Sounds to me like all the qualifications needed to do the job :lol:

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Doom

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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:46 am

Another victory for the dereg solution, funny how 75% of the country is dereg and none can honestly say it's working heh.

Hidden agenda syndrome.

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Brummie Cabbie

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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:49 am

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Taxi Drivers Gear Up For Protest

25th June 2009

Taxi drivers in Inverness have planned to stage protests claiming the numbers of licences being issued far exceeds the available spaces in city ranks.

Leaders said from 101 taxi operators in the 1980s there were now about 354, but only 26 official spaces on the streets.

Drivers are due to stage a demonstration outside Highland Council's headquarters.

They also plan to gather later at Caledonian Thistle FC's stadium for a rally.

Source; news.bbc.co.uk

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