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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:50 am 
Anonymous wrote:
Bring on single tier, bring on 100% WAV fleet, then maybe the power crazed PH operators will actually need to work harder to justify the ammount of money they "leech" from the trade.

The single tier may one day happen, but we will all be long dead when it does. But if and when it does, those power crazed PH operators will just become power crazed taxi operators.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 10:57 am 
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The DDA doesn't include any provision for WAV PHs. Not saying that in the years to come it wont, but at present the DDA only applies to taxis.


This is a contradiction to your ideal though!

Are you not arguing for a single tier!

Are you not leading people up the garden path here, has your ideal as a "operator" been rumbled and so you resort to namecalling.

PH are part of the public transport system, you have (and rightly so) inclusion in your areas local transport strategy, why then do you want to pick and choose which legislation applies, the word fairness is banded about time and time again on here but you only want whats fair to you.



Private hire is NOT part of the public transprt system.
we are dealing with what is not what we are calling for
legislation is what exists not what we call for.

Mick
we know in Gateshead you are all confused about the difference of what you like and what exists.

do you get confused with a proper tan as opposed to spray on tan?


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 11:04 am 
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Anonymous wrote:
oh [edited by admin] you have just thrown the argument away, prat.


Anonymous wrote:
you know bleep all and are talking like a pillock.


If you believe I have "thrown the arument away" and acted like a "prat" because I "know bleep all" and am in fact a "pillock" then surely your response would have contained your reasoning and evidence as to why you believe your opinion is more valid than my own.

Maybe you should take some time before answering as to date your responses seem to indicate that the allegations you make against me should in fact be levelled against you.

The facts are simple here, if everyone is a taxi then everyone has to abide by the same legislation, you seem to be implying that you want to have a single tier system which allows you to drive what you want but still recieve all the percieved benefits currently applied to the HC fleet.

Bring on single tier, bring on 100% WAV fleet, then maybe the power crazed PH operators will actually need to work harder to justify the ammount of money they "leech" from the trade.


oh I see
you were telling us as fact that the government did not encourage wavs now that changes to an opinion?

so you change what are proposals into fact, christ almighty man, I would not for a moment know how private hire operators would behave or do I care¬!

I am not one and never will be

I AM A TAXI OPERATOR (PUBLIC HIRE)


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:15 pm 
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Private hire is NOT part of the public transprt system.

Spoken like a true dinosaur. :shock:

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:28 pm 
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Private hire is NOT part of the public transprt system.


PH is very much part of the public transport system. PH probably carry more members of the public THAN ANY OTHER FORM OF TRANSPORT you ill informed person.

It is this kind of opinion, spouted from this kind of person "I know best cause everyone who works for me tells me I know best" that drags this trade further back every single day. I have no idea what your employee's really think of you, but if you are as high and mighty with them as you try to be on here then behind your back they will probably conclude that its better to agree with you cause you'd probably sack them if they didn't.

Parasite.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:29 pm 
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Mick
we know in Gateshead you are all confused about the difference of what you like and what exists.

do you get confused with a proper tan as opposed to spray on tan?


What?


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:24 pm 
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Mick
we know in Gateshead you are all confused about the difference of what you like and what exists.

do you get confused with a proper tan as opposed to spray on tan?


What?

I think he is trying to be clever about a former cab drivers new trade.

He hasn't mastered that no one really gives a [edited by admin]. :shock:


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:28 pm 
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Private hire is NOT part of the public transprt system.

As the other guest says, PH pick up more people than any other form of transport, save maybe the buses.

Or are you trying to be clever by saying that just because PH don't pick up without bookings they aren't public?

Dark ages mate, dark ages. :sad:


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 4:13 am 
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Anonymous wrote:
what are you talking about?

THE GOVERNMENT ARE INSTRUCTING COUNCILS TO GO ALL WAV.

you are not even on this planet man.


Sorry Mr Guest but the recent advice from government is to remove restriction of numbers.

The European directive is to have all public transport accessible to all, this is contained within the DDA with implimentation to start in designated councils next year over a 5 year period.

If the DDA was to be implimented properly every vehicle operating for hire and reward should be accessible to wheelchair users, in which case we could get rid of every saloon whether HC or PH and only allow vehicles converted or manufactured to carry wheelchairs. Now is this what you are suggesting should happen, and if you are how much support do you think you would get from either side of the trade?


I believe that all taxis should go WAV,
I believe that every private hire company should have sufficient WAVS, that a disabled customer, would get a private hire as quick as an able bodied would, I believe this is what the DDA means and should be interpreted.

its a difficult one, but we must be reasonable at this time.

of course I believe that all should be taxis, which means all WAV
but we are right in taking time allocated to move to this point.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 4:16 am 
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Anonymous wrote:
If the DDA was to be implimented properly every vehicle operating for hire and reward should be accessible to wheelchair users, in which case we could get rid of every saloon whether HC or PH and only allow vehicles converted or manufactured to carry wheelchairs.

The DDA doesn't include any provision for WAV PHs. Not saying that in the years to come it wont, but at present the DDA only applies to taxis.[/quote

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no it doesnt have you read the DDA?

IT APPLIES TO EVERY BUISNESS IN THE uk

every single one!


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 4:21 am 
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Anonymous wrote:
Private hire is NOT part of the public transprt system.

As the other guest says, PH pick up more people than any other form of transport, save maybe the buses.

Or are you trying to be clever by saying that just because PH don't pick up without bookings they aren't public?

Dark ages mate, dark ages. :sad:


no you are wrong, public transport is just that not coaches, not charter planes.

the dark ages began with the misc provisions act, private hire is private transport, that is not public, how the hell can private hire be public.

lets go to one code, then such like as you can follow what it means.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 1:07 pm 
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Anonymous wrote:
I believe that all taxis should go WAV,
I believe that every private hire company should have sufficient WAVS, that a disabled customer, would get a private hire as quick as an able bodied would, I believe this is what the DDA means and should be interpreted.

its a difficult one, but we must be reasonable at this time.

of course I believe that all should be taxis, which means all WAV
but we are right in taking time allocated to move to this point.


Cant see many PH drivers wanting to spend the cash on buying a WAV. they just wont see the return.

I drive a saloon PH and over the last 12 months or so i have had 2 wheelchair jobs. however EVERY OTHER DAY at least, i get a job from someone who is disabled or elderly who has a zimmer frame or crutches or walking stick. they often tell me that they physically can not get in or out of Black cabs. they also have a dislike of MPV's for the same reason.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 1:20 pm 
steveo wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I believe that all taxis should go WAV,
I believe that every private hire company should have sufficient WAVS, that a disabled customer, would get a private hire as quick as an able bodied would, I believe this is what the DDA means and should be interpreted.

its a difficult one, but we must be reasonable at this time.

of course I believe that all should be taxis, which means all WAV
but we are right in taking time allocated to move to this point.


Cant see many PH drivers wanting to spend the cash on buying a WAV. they just wont see the return.

I drive a saloon PH and over the last 12 months or so i have had 2 wheelchair jobs. however EVERY OTHER DAY at least, i get a job from someone who is disabled or elderly who has a zimmer frame or crutches or walking stick. they often tell me that they physically can not get in or out of Black cabs. they also have a dislike of MPV's for the same reason.



Stevo.
that you have to have a cab to be wheelchair accessible is a myth perpetuated by those who insist on creating unneccesary barriers.
:wink:


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 8:04 pm 
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IT APPLIES TO EVERY BUISNESS IN THE uk

every single one!

Well not till next week.

However if the gov haven't come across with a proper taxi WAV spec in the 9 years since the DDA, then I'm quite sure it will be a while before they start looking at the PH trade. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 8:43 pm 
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no you are wrong, public transport is just that not coaches, not charter planes.

the dark ages began with the misc provisions act, private hire is private transport, that is not public, how the hell can private hire be public.

lets go to one code, then such like as you can follow what it means.


Private Hire is private transport ?
Why then is their a requirement in law that PUBLIC LIABILITY COVER is attached to a insurance policy when the vehicle is used for hire and reward.

However you feel mate PH is part of the public transport system and should be included in every area's Transport Strategy Plan.

The role PH undertake within the public transport system is pivitol to supply a demand responsive transport solution the public can rely on.

So Mr Guest are you still sure that PH is not part of the public transport system, or do you need every word explained to you so you can properly understand.


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