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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:35 pm 
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I think you will find that even when your meter is turned off it is still adding up the miles driven and the time taken.


I would have thought that if the meter was off............then it is off! However if I am wrong then I am sure someone will say so :roll:

Another thought is that they can always be zeroed :shock:

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I think you will find that even when your meter is turned off it is still adding up the miles driven and the time taken.


I would have thought that if the meter was off............then it is off! However if I am wrong then I am sure someone will say so :roll:

Another thought is that they can always be zeroed :shock:


I know that mine still counts the miles whilst it is turned off. But it can be zeroed. However if they bring in drivers hours I would bet that we will need tachos.

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There are probably many factors which contributed to the unfortunate death of this young lad.
If working 14 hours was one of them, it would be foolish to ignore it.
Who can say that it wasn't a factor? If the driver had been fresher and more alert, would he have managed to avoid the lad?
We may never know. :sad:
He may have worked 14 hours but I suspect he was ON DUTY 14 hours, not the same thing, & not illegal!


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MR T wrote:
Why do people think it's not enforceable.... it would be the simplest thing in the world .... a taxi meter that shows the time you start... and the time you finish..... just make it compulsory in all private hire as well..... and Interlink it with the Inland Revenue..... simple..... Anyone caught playing with their meter.... immediately revoke their licence.
Do you mean PH will be extinct and all vehicles will become HC's, if so I agree its a great idea. :wink:


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Theres little difference bewteen Uk and EU driver hour regs, simply because HMG will have simply adopted the EU regs instead of fighting the EU
There is a big difference; Brit regs mean you don’t need a tachograph only a log-book, which the driver fills in. These regulations are still in force for a number of driving jobs.


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all commercial drivers (i.e. all drivers except private drivers) should be covered by EU driver hours and the WTD, its common sense



Wouldnt help one bit....all they ask under the directive is an average of 48 hours per week maximum, it would not stop you working 18 hours one day and only a few hours the rest of the week days, it will not stop long hours at busy times but will only serve to make the driver more selective of what hours they actually work.
There is nothing stopping anyone working 60 hours per week if they opt out of the WTD, so drivers actual driving hours are the ones that need to be regulated.


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Theres little difference bewteen Uk and EU driver hour regs, simply because HMG will have simply adopted the EU regs instead of fighting the EU
There is a big difference; Brit regs mean you don’t need a tachograph only a log-book, which the driver fills in. These regulations are still in force for a number of driving jobs.


How about the chipped driving cards they use in HGV's and buses? You swipe it in a reader and it claculates your hours, when you get to 45 hours or whatever the limit is your finished for the week, if you go over the hours on a spot check or something they'll fine you like they do the HGV drivers.


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How about the chipped driving cards they use in HGV's and buses? You swipe it in a reader and it claculates your hours, when you get to 45 hours or whatever the limit is your finished for the week


Butttt if you had been sat at a rank for 10/11 hours or more over a week how is that going to work. The others that you mention are generally PAYE and will get a liveable wage regardless - we do not.

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Butttt if you had been sat at a rank for 10/11 hours or more over a week how is that going to work. The others that you mention are generally PAYE and will get a liveable wage regardless - we do not.

If I remember rightly the 48 hour week debate, when it came in for truck drivers, there is standby time, and stand down time, or something like that.

Standby time would be taxis waiting at ranks and PH waiting for a radio job, stand down time was when you were out of the motor not waiting for a job, either rank or radio.

Standby time was/is included in the working week, whereas stand down time wasn't.

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London's black cab trade not overly impressed either.

New rules on breaks could ruin us, say cab drivers

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Standby time was/is included in the working week, whereas stand down time wasn't.

So HTF would the powers that be know which is which?

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Sussex wrote:
Standby time was/is included in the working week, whereas stand down time wasn't.

So HTF would the powers that be know which is which?

I suppose that's why they have tachos in lorries.

For PH I believe it would be easy as they have to log on, but for taxis near impossible IMO. Especially if they don't have a radio.

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I think if you work a radio with a PH company, they have a duty of care to their clients to ensure that the drivers they send to do jobs are not working excessive hours & shifts. I can see a day when one of these companies are prosecuted for the formentioned. They also have a duty of care for the drivers that work there although being self-employed it is difficult to impose on the drivers.
I would have no problem sending a driver home if I thought his/hers shift was excessive. The passengers safety would be the prime motivation.
The biggest problem is knowing if any of your drivers were doing second jobs, they may only work 6 hour shifts for the PH company, but how many have they worked at the other job?? A smart card would work but is irrelevant if the driver does 8 hours a day in a printers first!


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Big debate on now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/playlive/bbc_london/

Well done to the LTDA for fighting the corner.


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This is quit good thanks for the link GBC :wink:

I wonder if TDO will get a mention :wink:


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